Thanks for the update Marcus and good to here the toebox issues were fixed in the new Superior 2.0. That model has tons of potential with a little refinement. It is still my favorite Altra to date. -David

Hi Bruce. No worries. I was out traveling till yesterday so didn’t see the comment. I have a pair of Sense Pro 2, but haven’t run in them yet. Will probably get out in them later in the week, but just from trying them on I’d say they probably are not that different in feel…maybe a little softer/more cushioned but not by much. -David

thanks again. sorry, one more–have you tried sense pro 2 yet? i’ve seen a couple people saying that while it’s more cushioned than the original, it’s also (even) stiffer.

Yeah they seemed true to size to me…at least true to my NB size…I do fine NB runs just a bit shorter (like 1/4 size) than many other brands.

I actually tried the 1690 back when it came out and I just don’t have good luck with NB’s PL last which the 1690 was on. I agree that overall design was solid, which is why it caught my attention, but I could jive with the fit.

I’ve tried on the 1400v4 but haven’t run in them. Fit is right on with previous models and it did seem like there was just a bit more shoe, but I would guess it wouldn’t run substantially different. I’ll probably try it down the road when I can find it cheaper sometime.

RE: Shoefitr, I don’t know what happened to it…I used to use it on Running Warehouse, but since they stopped having it, I haven’t come across it elsewhere.

David

thanks for laying it all out for me, david.

one flash-in-the-pan model you might be interested in if you can find it–because, well, they’re shoes–is the NB MT1690. from a couple of years ago, lasted maybe one year (seemingly no effort to make people aware of it). the cushioning is definitely not minimal (weight around 9 oz.), though the drop is 4 mm and feels a bit lower than that. great fit/last (with great lacing)–quite snug in the heel and midfoot, moderate room in forefoot. very fast-and-free feeling to me; pretty flexible, but nothing like original fluidflex. (can’t vouch for it on technical, no experience, unusual outsole.) just a thought…

have you tried NB 1400v4? supposedly increased stack height, for better or worse. if you have, how does it compare to v3? did midsole change at all from v1 to v2 and v3? (i only had v1.) v1 fit me very well in my typical size. v2 seemed to run short. what about v3 and v4?

and fwiw, does shoefitr exist anywhere anymore?

much thanks,
bruce

Yes, I’ve run in the Summit and just got a pair of the pace pretty cheap (haven’t run in them yet though). The Summits are interesting…on one hand I like the racing flat feel to them and they do remind me of a more refined MT101, but I also feel they are really harsh riding (very firm foam on them, that doesn’t give the same rebound that firm adidas foam does, like the XT5), Besides the upper being better on the Summit, I think the XT5 and XT Boost are superior shoes to the summit. -David

Hi Bruce, Yes the FF II and ST are discontinued. I don’t really feel the FKT was a huge improvement over the ST other than it fit my lower volume foot much better and I think the upper is more refined overall. -David

thanks, david. so you don’t see any real advantage to xt5 or mt101 over FF ST, aside perhaps from weight?
do you know if FF II and/or ST are being discontinued? i liked the first two versions of FF a lot more than you did, at least for easier trails. i know the review is coming, but did you find a big improvement in FKT over ST? (i really can’t look at FKT without hearing a certain phrase in my head.)

best,
bruce