Comments on: Summer 2014 Running Shoe Previews Part 2: Newton Fate, Newton Kismet, Newton Aha, Newton BoCo Sol https://runblogger.com/2014/06/newton-fate-newton-kismet-newton-aha-newton-boco-sol.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Wed, 13 May 2015 14:01:56 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.12 By: Peter Larson https://runblogger.com/2014/06/newton-fate-newton-kismet-newton-aha-newton-boco-sol.html#comment-1130223894 Wed, 13 May 2015 14:01:56 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=4434#comment-1130223894 In reply to Steve.

Unfortnately many brands are tied to their signature “technology.” My guess is Newton will never make a shoe that does not have lugs.

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By: Steve https://runblogger.com/2014/06/newton-fate-newton-kismet-newton-aha-newton-boco-sol.html#comment-1130222684 Tue, 12 May 2015 12:09:11 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=4434#comment-1130222684 In reply to David Henry.

I had the same thought that David expressed about Newton being locked into a design and unwilling or unable to branch out. I tried on the Kismets and absolutely loved their fit and looks. But when walking in them all I could notice were the lugs. After having run in them on the store treadmill for a very short test my left arch ached the next day. So for an activity that already taxes your feet, why produce a shoe that further taxes the foot? They make a great shoe and could expand their market by getting over themselves and providing a model with no lugs, a POP zero. Having said that I still might try the Aha or EnergyNR II since I like the fit or the Kismet so much.

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By: Justin Perry https://runblogger.com/2014/06/newton-fate-newton-kismet-newton-aha-newton-boco-sol.html#comment-1130143065 Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:35:26 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=4434#comment-1130143065 I just tried on a pair of Fate’s and went for a brief saunter on the treadmill. Thanks RunWell for the test drive. I was pleasantly surprised by this shoe, like many others I would surmise. At first the lugs feel odd, not bad mind you just a little odd…but they fairly quickly melt into your stride…at least for me. Now I am a neutral, mid/high arched forefoot striker so I am landing directly on the lugs and they are noticeable but again not uncomfortable. I would have to log some miles to really make an assement but I was pleasantly surprised, this is not a shoe I likely would have tried and now I am really curious, especially after traditional shoe forefoot foam completely compresses on me after 300 miles. I am looking forward to your actual review of the Fate and the Aha!

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By: JR https://runblogger.com/2014/06/newton-fate-newton-kismet-newton-aha-newton-boco-sol.html#comment-1130097738 Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:44:58 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=4434#comment-1130097738 I just bought size 9 Fate. I’ve been using newtons for the past 4 years, but I’ve been running for a lot longer. I love the shoes. The Momentum was the first – I bought another after that wore out. That wore out too. I grabbed an early version of the gravity after that, which blew the minds in my feet. At any rate…I want to transition to the idea that running correctly will cause you pain. It won’t if your muscles are acquainted with hard work and you’ve taken the time to make them all limber. (That’s a perfect recipe for trying on newtons and thinking you have rockets instead of shoes.)

I think Pop 1 would have been more exciting, but Pop 2 was a better choice since running isn’t my main squeeze anymore.So all I’ll say is that they were a good ride and I’m psyched to have them. If you have pain from anything Newton offers and still like the shoe…I’d suggest cross training.

This is my comment of praise: What a nice shoe to role into.

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By: Peter Larson https://runblogger.com/2014/06/newton-fate-newton-kismet-newton-aha-newton-boco-sol.html#comment-1129719676 Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:00:24 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=4434#comment-1129719676 In reply to Mike.

Just heard the same thing myself from a specialty run store owner who spoke with Newton. Fate and Kismet are supposedly replacing the Isaac, and the Aha and Energy II are the neutral and stability versions of their entry level, minimal lug feel shoes. MV3 is a racing flat so would make no sense to replace it with the Aha.

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By: Mike https://runblogger.com/2014/06/newton-fate-newton-kismet-newton-aha-newton-boco-sol.html#comment-1129718167 Thu, 26 Jun 2014 02:20:37 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=4434#comment-1129718167 In reply to Peter Larson.

In response to Mark, not so on the idea of the Fate as an Energy replacement and Aha as MV3 replacement. Aha is an entry level Newton, SOFT and the lugs are hardly there. Fate is more like a slightly less aggressive Distance 3. I run for Newton Running Elite and work in the industry. Either Mark misheard his rep or the rep was off. Having run in Distance 3, Motion 3, Gravity 3, MV3, Energy, and now the Fate, I can really say there is NO connection between Fate and Energy. Especially as there is an Energy 2 coming out. What makes that a ‘stability’ shoe is an increased amount of ground-feel under the medial bridge near the arch, connecting rear foot to fore foot more smoothly. That’s my two cents. Thanks

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By: Peter Larson https://runblogger.com/2014/06/newton-fate-newton-kismet-newton-aha-newton-boco-sol.html#comment-1129715565 Tue, 24 Jun 2014 22:11:28 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=4434#comment-1129715565 In reply to Mark Kapitan.

Thanks for the info Mark! The Energy was a great shoe for me, but only when I swapped out the included insole for something thinner. Out of the box it had way too much heel slippage. Didn’t know they were planning to drop it. Should have the Kismet soon myself, looking forward to giving them a try!

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By: Peter Larson https://runblogger.com/2014/06/newton-fate-newton-kismet-newton-aha-newton-boco-sol.html#comment-1129715542 Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:54:52 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=4434#comment-1129715542 In reply to Danny Carr.

No idea, what size do you wear?

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By: Danny Carr https://runblogger.com/2014/06/newton-fate-newton-kismet-newton-aha-newton-boco-sol.html#comment-1129710542 Sat, 21 Jun 2014 10:39:07 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=4434#comment-1129710542 Hi!

Nice article, as always.

Any idea on when Newton are going to support larger sizes?

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By: Mark Kapitan https://runblogger.com/2014/06/newton-fate-newton-kismet-newton-aha-newton-boco-sol.html#comment-1129709085 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 13:22:36 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=4434#comment-1129709085 Pete,

Had a chance to get the ear of a Newton rep at a scavenger hunt put on by my local running store and take both the Fate and Aha for a spin.

Fate is designed as a replacement for the Energy and comes in about 9oz for a Men’s size 9. Being someone who returned his Energy’s after about 25 miles due to pain under my 4th and 5th Met Heads I started out a skeptic but after a few miles in them they felt GREAT. The toe box and lug platform is much wider than the old Energy and the rep even acknowledged that they knew the Energy had problems right after release and my symptoms were fairly common. Biggest changed I felt was the Fate is now MUCH more flexible underfoot with considerably deeper flex grooves. The Newton pop is still there but the forefoot transition is much smoother and they just felt like real winners.

The Aha is really more targeted as a replacement for the MV3 and has a lot more EVA than I have ever seen on a Newton. Rep claimed the weight will be in the low 7’s and they felt about that in a short spin. Platform is very similar to the Fate with a much wider toe box and a more stable platform. Although they are Pop3 the Aha felt a lot less snappy underfoot and the rep stated they wanted a shoe to go after a lot of the high school runners so they might not have the under lug air pillows as a cost/weight saving measure? Still seems like a nice shoe even if it ends up being more race day specific for some.

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By: Mark https://runblogger.com/2014/06/newton-fate-newton-kismet-newton-aha-newton-boco-sol.html#comment-1129706524 Thu, 19 Jun 2014 03:10:47 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=4434#comment-1129706524 In reply to Peter Larson.

You and I had the same opinion on the Energy being a neutral shoe. RRS lists the current Energy as a performance neutral and the new Energy II as a performance stability shoe. I’m thinking the Aha is the “new” Energy and the Energy II is now a stability shoe.
Wow, Newton as all their bases covered!

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By: Peter Larson https://runblogger.com/2014/06/newton-fate-newton-kismet-newton-aha-newton-boco-sol.html#comment-1129705389 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:27:53 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=4434#comment-1129705389 In reply to Mark.

Thanks for the info Mark! I was not a fan of the Isaac so hopefully these will be an improvement. I love seeing the terms neutral and stability thrown around, not sure I noticed anything about the Energy that would make it anything but a neutral shoe.

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