Ok, thanks for the reply. I don’t have an issue with “last year’s model”

Greg – yes, have actually been running in the Kinvara 6 a bit the past few weeks. Pretty similar to the 5, sole feels the same. I found that I got a bit of pressure from the upper over the base of my little toe, so I shelved them for awhile, but wanted to give them another try. Swapped the insole and seems to be working so far. Nice shoe, but if you can find the 5 cheaper they are not that much different.

Not looking for a full review, just an idea if there’s been big changes.

The Clifton is a much softer shoe than the Kinvara, but I think the Clifton is one of the softest shoes I have run in. The Kinvara is actually pretty soft as well, just not as much so as the Clifton. Kinvara might fit a bit wider in the forefoot as well.

It’s a pretty soft shoe, but not sure what works best for cross training as I’m mostly just a runner.

The most obvious change is the laces start too high up and they use one less eyelet on the 5s compared to all the previous Kinvara models. There is another eyelet much higher up, but that feels too high and is uncomfortable for me.

I can’t seem to get a good feel with them tied tighter with 5 eyelets or looser with 6 eyelets. I actually threw on a pair of old Kinvara 3s yesterday and marveled how perfect they felt on my feet.

I’ll keep running them in my rotation, and maybe I’ll get used to them. But I was about to order some more and I’m going to hold off for now.

BTW, they are only $57 on Amazon if you are a prime member, which is a great deal.

The K5s are smaller, probably b/c of the extra overlays… I’m a 12 in every shoe i’ve worn, including the K3, Guide 5, and Peregrine 4.

A size 12 in the K5 was about 1/4 size too small, enough to make me have to go up 1/2 size. now i’ve got loose clown shoes (sad face)

MAybe the New Balance 1400 or 1600, Mizuno Hitogami.

Yes i can. What else I can try similirar adios2 no boost ? Thanks for all