Comments on: Effects of Running Speed on Foot Strike Patterns and Identification of Multiple Heel Strike Types https://runblogger.com/2014/02/effects-of-running-speed-on-foot-strike-patterns-and-identification-of-multiple-heel-strike-types.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:43:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.12 By: Changing Gait | https://runblogger.com/2014/02/effects-of-running-speed-on-foot-strike-patterns-and-identification-of-multiple-heel-strike-types.html#comment-1129937046 Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:43:06 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=3122#comment-1129937046 […] articles including Is Heel Striking Evil?: More Evidence that All Heel Strikes Are Not Equal and Effects of Running Speed on Foot Strike Patterns and Identification of Multiple Heel Strike Types. In these pieces, he demonstrates that there are multiple types of heel strikers, and it is not […]

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By: Edgar Gassan https://runblogger.com/2014/02/effects-of-running-speed-on-foot-strike-patterns-and-identification-of-multiple-heel-strike-types.html#comment-1129521185 Mon, 24 Feb 2014 20:45:14 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=3122#comment-1129521185 What a Great Post, Being a engineer and a coach, checking out biomechanics is what i like the most, eventought i do not usually play around with the runner mechanics, unless i find it useful, i mostly use it to check on general running mistakes for beginners and to find out weak muscle areas or lack of balance between muscle groups. i have been asking myself for quite a long time about the right-left asymmetries, which i bond to usually muscle weakness or compensation for injuries, for example i usually found that a leg that heelstrike the most is associated in what i have seen with hip shifting on the midstance on that side because of gluteus medius weakness or so (i do not know why it happen , just pointing out). other cases i found out a leg that midstrike most to be people usually recreational who had previous anterior shin splint injuries or knee issues and found a self compensation mechanics by mid-striking on that leg.
About the changing strike patterns depending on the speed is something that i usually see and also had me wondering. My conclusion also was tied to runner muscles balance and ROM. more advance runners who have very good hip extension, strong core and so, usually change more the gait from mildly heel or mid striking on easy or marathon pace, to fully forefoot on 5k pace or faster. while i found that recreational runners that have limited ROM on the hip, or hamstring, weak core, etc, will tend to keep on heelstriking no matter the speed. Of course these are things i have noticed not in all advance or recreational, but i have noticed to be trendy.
i share these experiences in bases to found common point of view, these post its been great.

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By: Peter Larson https://runblogger.com/2014/02/effects-of-running-speed-on-foot-strike-patterns-and-identification-of-multiple-heel-strike-types.html#comment-1129516625 Tue, 18 Feb 2014 14:45:06 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=3122#comment-1129516625 In reply to Geoffrey Gray.

I agree, I always worry a bit about trackway studies. Major limitation, as well as force plate targeting. Tough to avoid that as much as you might try I think.

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By: Jae Gruenke https://runblogger.com/2014/02/effects-of-running-speed-on-foot-strike-patterns-and-identification-of-multiple-heel-strike-types.html#comment-1129514098 Sat, 15 Feb 2014 16:53:01 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=3122#comment-1129514098 In reply to Peter Larson.

We see the same thing with clients in our Feldenkrais/running form practice. My way of describing it is that the left leg is the stability (or standing) leg and the right leg is the mobility (or gesture) leg. The right foot is much more likely to be turned slightly out and the right side of the torso is more likely to be muscularly shortened from hip to shoulder. The glutes are likely to work better on the right. I’d always assumed it was due to driving but I started checking with my clients and many of them (in NYC) didn’t drive, so that’s not it. I recently discussed it with a podiatrist and she said she and her colleagues noticed it too, it’s a bit of a mystery. The only reasonable hint I’ve come across is that it may be related to the liver — the heaviest organ — being on the right side, and therefore having to be shifted to the left slightly through a contraction of the right obliques (stand up and try it and you’ll see what I mean). Doing this with your trunk will make the left leg your stability leg, bias you towards the heel in running, and put you more on your forefoot on the right. Chek practitioner friends of mine have noticed this asymmetry improves when people remove the most common allergens from the diet, which points again at the liver, and a stressed liver being perhaps larger or heavier or having some other effect on movement. All speculation, but at the very least it does show that this pattern has been widely observed!

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By: Geoffrey Gray https://runblogger.com/2014/02/effects-of-running-speed-on-foot-strike-patterns-and-identification-of-multiple-heel-strike-types.html#comment-1129513275 Fri, 14 Feb 2014 21:42:42 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=3122#comment-1129513275 In reply to Peter Larson.

this theory makes a ton of sense. When I was still doing PT we would see a ton of R sided injuries from driving: piriformis, calf, heel pain, etc…

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By: Geoffrey Gray https://runblogger.com/2014/02/effects-of-running-speed-on-foot-strike-patterns-and-identification-of-multiple-heel-strike-types.html#comment-1129512467 Thu, 13 Feb 2014 22:38:50 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=3122#comment-1129512467 Great research link, but I must point out one of my HUGE pet peeves with this study:
“Each runner ran along a 25 m trackway at 4 speeds”
WHAT?!?! Find me any runner that gets into their natural stride in 25 meters and I’ll give you 10 dollars. Especially at faster speeds, I believe that most people would still be accelerating, finding their rhythm, and/or starting to slow down since the wall is coming at them quickly!
I have been a proponent that speed and surface change run stride mechanics, and we have data to back this up. But this study has some major limitations when applying the data to “real world” running.

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By: Robert Osfield https://runblogger.com/2014/02/effects-of-running-speed-on-foot-strike-patterns-and-identification-of-multiple-heel-strike-types.html#comment-1129512043 Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:04:38 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=3122#comment-1129512043 Interesting study, but alas falls short on the footwear side. It would have been great to test the same subjects with a set of different shoes with different heel drops, rather than just one with big heel drop. My guess is that we’d see a migration of the numbers of runners in each of the classifications. Shoe stiffness would also be a factor.

Peter, your observations about shoe preference, soft heel/firm forefoot, and exaggerating heel strike, suggests to me an issue of force vs pressure.

The force, at any instant, being applied by the body through the shoe to the ground is equal to the instantaneous pressure x contact area. If we apply the force over a small area of the heel via an exaggeration dorsaflexion of the ankle we may be reducing the area of contact and as the pressure sole can push back with is governed by how much it’s compressed it’ll have a similar pressure profile as it compresses, but the force generated will be less. This means it’ll take longer to the force to peak. The shoe will feel to the runner less stiff.

If you land more flat footed then you rapidly distribute the loading across the a wider area, the compression of the sole will be less, and less localised pressure, but the overall force can be greater. The amount of compression of the sole will also be less, and the runner will perceive the shoe as being more stiff.

This is all with the same shoe, just a slightly different foot-strike.

A runner that lands with the ankle rolled so the outside edge of the foot will like reduce the contact area and like the exaggerated heel strike case in effect make result in a lower effective stiffness of the shoe.

For myself, my default landing is a mid-foot one, going uphill or sprinting it’s often a pure forefoot, when descending it’ll vary between forefoot, mid-foot and heel strike. I also have a preference for firm zero drop soles.

For a bit of variation in my shoe rotation I recently bought a pair of Nike Kiger’s, they are soft in the forefoot and even softer in the heel. Initially I really disliked the feel of softness of the sole and found it quite unstable, but now with 60 miles in them I’ve tuned into them more and am less put off. It also took me quite a few miles to recondition my leg muscles to handle the instability of the soft sole.

One thing I don’t notice is the soft heel though, I believe because I’m still running with a mid-foot strike so by the time my heel touches down I’m spreading my weight over a large area so the effective stiffness is higher. If I deliberately heel strike it feels mushy and unstable, yuk!

Going back to my F-Lite 232’s on my new X-Treme 178’s the soles feel firm, but after a half a mile I dial in and they disappear on my feet. I don’t know how much this is down to me adjusting my gait sub-consciously or my brain just dialling into what pressure patterns are normal, safe and don’t require any conscious intervention.

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By: Peter Larson https://runblogger.com/2014/02/effects-of-running-speed-on-foot-strike-patterns-and-identification-of-multiple-heel-strike-types.html#comment-1129511802 Thu, 13 Feb 2014 01:32:40 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=3122#comment-1129511802 In reply to Ken S..

Depends on which classification scheme is used. Strike index is pretty standard in force studies, for video simultaneous contact of the heel and ball of foot is the typical definition. What’s new with the atypical heel strike I think is the ability to describe exactly how it differs using pressure patterns under the foot.

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By: Peter Larson https://runblogger.com/2014/02/effects-of-running-speed-on-foot-strike-patterns-and-identification-of-multiple-heel-strike-types.html#comment-1129511800 Thu, 13 Feb 2014 01:30:05 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=3122#comment-1129511800 In reply to eric johnson.

I’ve always been curious about whether working a gas pedal with the same foot every time we drive might have some influence, particularly for those who commute to work every day. Lots of work for one lower leg and not the other.

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By: Peter Larson https://runblogger.com/2014/02/effects-of-running-speed-on-foot-strike-patterns-and-identification-of-multiple-heel-strike-types.html#comment-1129511797 Thu, 13 Feb 2014 01:28:13 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=3122#comment-1129511797 In reply to Michael.

Will running in a very minimal shoe change foot strike? In some people yes, in others no if we are talking about say a discrete change from heel to mid/forefoot. Some interesting studies on this coming later this year.

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By: Michael https://runblogger.com/2014/02/effects-of-running-speed-on-foot-strike-patterns-and-identification-of-multiple-heel-strike-types.html#comment-1129511753 Thu, 13 Feb 2014 00:06:06 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=3122#comment-1129511753 I still don’t see how anyone can definitively label themselves as one type of footstriker. The way your foot impacts the ground while running will change depending on your footwear (or lack thereof). I ran in some Altra Adams today and a new pair of huarache-type sandals, and it’s very hard to have a heel strike in a shoe like this. At least for me, my knees and ankles (I think) are naturally more bent to absorb shock, my cadence stays high, and my foot lands flat.

I know it’s not cool right now to still be talking about minimalism, but there is something to it.

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By: Trail Running Dad https://runblogger.com/2014/02/effects-of-running-speed-on-foot-strike-patterns-and-identification-of-multiple-heel-strike-types.html#comment-1129511731 Wed, 12 Feb 2014 23:16:10 +0000 http://runblogger.com/?p=3122#comment-1129511731 In reply to eric johnson.

Eric- Thanks for putting in that insight from the cycling world. My first thought was the same as Andy’s, that the discrepancy had to do with which side is dominant. Has Steve offered up any reasons for why riders might tend to protect the right side, irrespective of “handedness”? Or do you have any ideas?

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