Comments on: Why the Mizuno Sayonara Does Not Work For Me: Technology and A Tale of Two Shoes

By: Peter Larson

Peter Larson — Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:07:46 +0000

In reply to Espen. I think so, the heel is quite firm so if that is what you are looking for definitely worth a try!

By: Espen

Espen — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 13:48:22 +0000

Just came across this interesting article as I was googling for information on the Sayonaras. Still think I’ll try them though! Here’s why: I’m currently using only Mizuno Wave Riders (16 and 17) and am looking for something lighter with a slightly lower heel. The Sayonara seems to be just that. I think it’s exactly the rigid heel that has made me love the Wave Riders – I used to use ASICS Nimbus when I ran less frequently and slower than now, they now feel like my heel is sliding in any direction when I tried them. I have a pair of Nike Vomeros that are completely useless, the soft heels give no support and make me feel like their sucking all the power out of my stride!

Do you think my impression that the Sayonaras would work as a lower and lighter alternative to the Wave Riders is right?

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adidas Adios Boost Review | stackreviews.com — Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:28:56 +0000

[…] heel makes for a very smooth transition for my stride (whereas a firm, inflexible heel like in the Mizuno Sayonara just doesn’t work with my stride). The firm forefoot feels great when picking up the pace. I much prefer the Adios Boost sole as […]

By: Peter Larson

Peter Larson — Thu, 13 Feb 2014 15:01:06 +0000

In reply to Monica Denk. I think it's the rigid, firm heel for me that ruins it. The Mizuno Hitogami feels much better and has a similar fit and profile.

By: Monica Denk

Monica Denk — Thu, 13 Feb 2014 03:15:05 +0000

These shoes have gotten such good reviews, but I too have found that they do not work for me. I like them when I tried them on in the store.
Since getting them home, my back and feet hurt within an hour of simply wearing them in the house.
Is the attempt to make a dual neutral / stability shoe part of the problem? I need a neutral shoe. The Brooks Cascadia works for me and it also is a dual neutral/ stability shoe

By: Gil

Gil — Fri, 31 Jan 2014 17:15:57 +0000

I had the EXACT same experience! “Slappy”, and the front-end of the wave plate acted like a hinge in the middle of the sole… it created the worst transition I’ve ever experienced in a running shoe. FWIW, I too am a mid-foot to light heel-striker.

By: packrats999

packrats999 — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Having run extensively with Mizuno shoes, from the Universe and Cursoris all the way up to the Nirvana, I think the most similar Mizuno model to the 1400 is either the Ronin or Musha. I also own a pair of 1400 v1 and really, really like them. The Sayonara is a part daily distance, part tempo shoe. The 1400 is part racer, part tempo shoe. In my rotation, I use the Musha interchangeably with the 1400, not the Sayonara. It's not surprising that you didn't like the Sayonara because it is too built up for your preference even if it were a 4mm heel drop with resin wave plate. The 1400 is a sweet shoe, and I enjoyed reading your review and willingness to appreciate the shoe despite its lack of credentials in the low heel drop department.

By: EmanColi

EmanColi — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Interesting. I tried these on at one of the LRS and at the time I thought they were one of the smoothest shoes I've ever tried. I didn't get them because my midfoot/heel area is wide and these shoes did not fit that well. At the time I was forefoot striking too, but now I midfoot/mild heel strike because I was tired of getting shin splints forefoot striking. I'm curious if the shoes would feel different now.

By: Swagadelphia

Swagadelphia — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

In reply to Pete Larson.

Former heel striker who used Newtons(Gravity) to develop a midfoot strike.
Just as an aside most shoes you reccomend work great for me I love the Kinvara but I chew them up very quickly,the fastwitch was great but my local shops do not carry them so I went into the frees and all versions work great for me 5.0,4.0 and 3.0 but I have been staying in the 5.0 because the upper is the most comfortable and that is where I have stayed until the bug to try something new (the sayonara) came in and I was really bummed they didnt work

By: Kevin Grant

Kevin Grant — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

I'll just say that I hate a "slappy" shoe. I've never been sure what causes that feeling. Maybe this is it.

By: Roberto

Roberto — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Very interesting thought about this working for forefoot or heel strikers, but not midfoot. I've been a forefoot striker since high school, nearly 20 years ago. In recent years I've done the vast majority of my runs in various pairs of inov-8s, which I assume have quite a bit less "technology," as you call it, in comparison to the Sayonara.

One thing I've found in the past couple years is that as I start to get near and beyond 10 miles or so, I've at times developed minor posterior shin splints which rarely bother me during runs, but often become quite painful when walking around on the day after a longer run.

On a whim this summer, I decided to try the Sayonaras based solely on a local store's recommendation. They fit my feet well and felt good on the treadmill in the store, but after the purchase I did not like them in the early miles of my first few real runs. However, I soon realized beyond about 4 miles I love them. And, most notably, I've started to experiment with my stride just a bit, and I now find myself bombing downhills in the Sayonaras with a full-on heelstrike with no pain or discomfort during or after my runs. Maybe it's just a matter of the extra cushioning, but I don't seem to be able to pull off the same feat in my Saucony Peregrines which also feel pretty cushy. And, I remain a pretty pronounced forefoot striker on the flats and uphills, and always in my inov-8s.

Anyway, I usually stick with inov-8s under 4-5 miles, and often go for the Sayonaras beyond that. Very different shoes to be sure, but I like 'em both.

By: Pete Larson

Pete Larson — Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

In reply to ShiKee.

Tough call, a lot of people like them, just not for me.

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