Comments on: Barefoot Heel Strikers Rejoice, New Kenyan Barefoot Study Indicates that You Are Not Alone! https://runblogger.com/2013/01/barefoot-heel-strikers-rejoice-new.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.11 By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2013/01/barefoot-heel-strikers-rejoice-new.html#comment-780845840 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=146#comment-780845840 In reply to Robert Osfield.

I agree that mat targeting is a problem. Even when I film myself without a mat it is hard not to adjust form when you know you need to land in a certain spot to be recorded by the camera.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2013/01/barefoot-heel-strikers-rejoice-new.html#comment-782606612 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=146#comment-782606612 In reply to Robert Osfield.

I’ve filmed out of a car window alongside a runner on the road, it was the best footage I’ve ever shot. I’ve thought about trying to attach a camera to a jogging stroller to run alongside the runner, might work well.
If you develop that drone, I’m happy to test it out :)

Sent from my iPad

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By: Robert Osfield https://runblogger.com/2013/01/barefoot-heel-strikers-rejoice-new.html#comment-781750059 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=146#comment-781750059 In reply to Pete Larson.

I guess what you need is a moving camera that tracks the runner. A couple of ways I can think of doing this off the top of my head:

A) On smooth road use a vehicle/bike mounted camera.

B) Use a camera mounted on a rail.

C) Use a camera on a tripod that is a distance from the runner and tracks the runner by rotating on the vertical axis. The camera far enough away but zoomed in to get a useful recording. Possibly have the runner run on a circular track would make it possible to keep the running direction perpendicular to the camera direction.

D) Mount the camera on the runner

E) Use a remote/automatically controlled drone that flies alongside the runner.

Solution E would require some developing but once you had such a system it’d be pretty flexible.

Developing these systems are a whole research task in themselves :-)

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By: John Foster https://runblogger.com/2013/01/barefoot-heel-strikers-rejoice-new.html#comment-780914250 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=146#comment-780914250 After several years solely (excuse the pun) treating runners I am less and less concerned about foot strike pattern. There are far more important factors that influence injury. Considering that far greater forces, torques and stretch occur at mid stance it always seems strange when I read yet another study focused on foot strike.
Most EMG studies though difficult to interpret will confirm that lower leg muscular load is typically at a maximum at midstance and minimal at foot strike.
Changing foot strike pattern can be a great tool to improve tibial angle or slightly alter load pattern on the lower leg muscles.It is a means to an end though. If the tibia is near vertical at foot strike I rarely change the foot strike pattern unless I can relate the change to reducing load on an injured structure.
There are far more important factors to change.
Much has been based on vertical ground reaction force. I suspect that we will eventually find out that the direction of force (force plate data- 3 dimensional)) is far more important than vertical loading (pressure plate data- 1 dimensional).
Much of our work focuses on increasing vertical ground reaction force at foot strike but in an optimal direction. This in turn offloads many other structures at the mid stance point. If the right muscles are working at the right time in the right direction then ‘Its not about the foot’.

John Foster

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By: Richard Ayotte https://runblogger.com/2013/01/barefoot-heel-strikers-rejoice-new.html#comment-777291873 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=146#comment-777291873 I don’t know why foot strike is defined by initial contact. A brush of the heel is a heel strike? Really? Footstrike should be defined by contact during peak impact. Aren’t we interested in how the body absorbs impact more than initial contact? I couldn’t care less what the initial contact was. I want to know if the heel or the forefoot absorbed the brunt of the impact.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2013/01/barefoot-heel-strikers-rejoice-new.html#comment-777285245 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=146#comment-777285245 In reply to Stephen Boulet.

Indeed!

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By: Cody R. https://runblogger.com/2013/01/barefoot-heel-strikers-rejoice-new.html#comment-777343614 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=146#comment-777343614 makes sense that there are still some people in the world that heel GRAZE while running barefoot, a strike would probably more than likely indicate horrible form, and growing up barefoot would probably for the most part allow the person good form, their heel “strikes” are probably still while in good form, unlike a shod zombie runner

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By: SolidSlug https://runblogger.com/2013/01/barefoot-heel-strikers-rejoice-new.html#comment-783867322 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=146#comment-783867322 OK, but how to argue that landing on the heel in front of your center of mass does not have a braking effect?
Sure, if you land on your heel below or slightly behind your center of mass, heel striking may not be a detriment, but otherwise I don’t see how it can be argued that heel striking would be a long-term, practical way to run.

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By: Stephen Boulet https://runblogger.com/2013/01/barefoot-heel-strikers-rejoice-new.html#comment-777267401 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=146#comment-777267401 “habitually barefoot Kalenjin subjects did indeed land on their heels (their self-selected pace was about a 4:50 min/mile)”
My conclusion is that those guys are fast.

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By: Robert Osfield https://runblogger.com/2013/01/barefoot-heel-strikers-rejoice-new.html#comment-780794061 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=146#comment-780794061 I can’t help but feel that using a mat that participant had to try and land will have effected gait for the stride that has the foot landing on the mat. If the participant looking they they are coming up short they may well over-stride to get onto the mat.

The Picture A looks like an over-stride to me and the since the foot is only just making it on to the mat we have the motivation for an over-stride as well. This runner might well over-stride and heel strike all the time, but I would suspect that it’s trying to land on the mat has skewed the results so inferring anything from this particular shot would be unsafe.

For this type of analysis I would look to have a mat that is comfortably longer then length of stride so that the participants can properly relax in the knowledge that they will hit the mat no matter what. Ideally one would record both feet landing on the mat.

Without this I view the data as much less valuable, and making any conclusions about even this population would be in-appropriate, let alone extrapolating it to populations.

On a slightly different note, I have three children, one’s a forefoot striker, always has been and good chance she will always be – one thing she’s always often done is sprint at high speed in play, she just loves running fast and I suspect this has influenced her foot position on landing. My other two daughters vary between a mild heel strike and pronounced heel strike – except when where minimal shoes like flats/plimsoles when she yells out that her heels here then converts automatically to forefoot stide. The mid heel striker has done a fair amount of running, but takes it slow and steady, while my heel striking daughter doesn’t enjoy sports much so tends to avoid them. I mention this as it might correlate with a running population landing forefoot rather than a walking population that might be more likely to landing on the heel.

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By: Rodger Kram https://runblogger.com/2013/01/barefoot-heel-strikers-rejoice-new.html#comment-777417970 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=146#comment-777417970 The foot strike terminology is getting muddled. Cavanagh & Lafortune (1980) first defined forefoot/midfoot/rearfoot strike based upon initial center of pressure location and without regard to what happens after initial contact. They divided the foot into thirds (rearfoot/midfoot/forefoot). Pretty much everybody would categorize rearfoot strikers the same way but people are using different measurement techniques (center of pressure, ankle angle). Without recognizing Cavanagh & Lafortune, Lieberman et al. (2010) re-defined the term midfoot striker to describe a runner who simultaneously strikes with the heel and ball of the foot and forefoot striker as someone who lands on the ball of the foot who then touches down with their heel. Hatala et al. define midfoot as either someone who’s initial contact is on the lateral midfoot or who simultaneously contacts with the midfoot and heel. Hatala define forefoot strikers as people who only exert pressure on their metatarsal bones and then subsequently more forward on the foot (much like Cavanagh & Lafortune). Maybe a new category of “flatfoot strikers” is needed? or better yet, flatfoot floogies like the song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v

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