Comments on: Neutral Running Shoes Need Not Be the Goal for All Runners: More on Pronation Control https://runblogger.com/2012/10/neutral-running-shoes-need-not-be-goal.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Wed, 09 Oct 2019 17:36:30 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.12 By: rod ishii https://runblogger.com/2012/10/neutral-running-shoes-need-not-be-goal.html#comment-1130989482 Wed, 09 Oct 2019 17:36:30 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=220#comment-1130989482 question,
as a runner I’ve worn stability shoes forever. now as a walker can i wear neutral shoes?
thanks,

rod

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By: Top 3 Reasons Shoe Inserts for Runners Are a Great Idea https://runblogger.com/2012/10/neutral-running-shoes-need-not-be-goal.html#comment-1130376892 Mon, 18 Jan 2016 15:48:16 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=220#comment-1130376892 […] Neutral Running Shoes Need Not Be the Goal for All Runners: More on Pronation Control […]

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By: John L https://runblogger.com/2012/10/neutral-running-shoes-need-not-be-goal.html#comment-683166233 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=220#comment-683166233 In reply to Eric Johnson.

Are there any scientific studies proving the efficacy of this method? As in a controlled study showing that it reduces long term injury rates versus the old method or even random selection? If not, what prompted you to spend the money on it? And who are “the gait guys”?

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By: John Binns https://runblogger.com/2012/10/neutral-running-shoes-need-not-be-goal.html#comment-683063352 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=220#comment-683063352 Suprising how simple it is to choose a good running shoe, just pick one that feels right and ignore the labels in most cases. Why do people always try to overcomplicate! Still seems a long way to go before a better way of classing running shoes by the manufacturers is developed.

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By: Eric Johnson https://runblogger.com/2012/10/neutral-running-shoes-need-not-be-goal.html#comment-683123771 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=220#comment-683123771 hey pete,

the gait guys just released a shoe fit certification program that is pertinent to this post and think you would find interesting. it’s kind of pricey ($450-ish after you buy all 3 videos and the certification exam) but goes into depth about foot/leg anatomy and mechanics and how to fit the person correctly in their opinion. this is actually level I certification. levels 2 and 3 are to be released later this year for advanced shoe fitting.
i passed the level I certification last week. their methodology focuses on foot types (rearfoot varus, forefoot varus, etc), leg structure, specific muscle strength, and a bit more for shoe fit.
it doesn’t really take pronation (as viewed from behind, like most running stores do) into account when pulling shoes, which i like, but they do recommend stability shoes for certain people (rearfoot valgus, for example). and they do think that “overpronation” can be a contributing factor with some injuries, which i’d think you agree with. it’s just not a bad thing in and of itself obviously.
they are big fans of minimalist shoes, but feel that a person has to “earn” their way into minimalism. that is, you someone with injuries should not get a minimalist shoe hoping to increase the strength of a specific intrinsic muscle deficit because it may just force you to compensate for that weakness in a different way and cause more (or worse) problems than you already have.
their hope is to get it out to running stores so stores are being a bit more consistent in fitting runners. it’s good stuff. i’m not sure how much it will catch on because it is fairly pricey, but i’ve learned a ton in the process and am looking at my customers with a much expanded field of vision nowadays.
anyway, thought i’d inject a few comments into the mix. their podcasts are a bit technical for the average person, but you would love them. free on itunes. search “the gait guys”
eric johnson, managerultramax sportswww.ultramaxsports.comspringfield, mo

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By: James Dunne https://runblogger.com/2012/10/neutral-running-shoes-need-not-be-goal.html#comment-682537049 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=220#comment-682537049 In reply to John.

John – Such a great way to put it! -> “The proper shoe for that individual–be it a Mizuno Universe or a Brooks Beast–will feel like it is a part of the foot. It will disappear the most. The intuitive response is almost invariably the correct one. “

Pete – Another great post… keep ’em coming. Keep up the good work!

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2012/10/neutral-running-shoes-need-not-be-goal.html#comment-682313313 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=220#comment-682313313 In reply to John.

I like that phrasing – the best shoe will “disappear” on your foot. That’s exactly how I have felt running marathons in the Kinvara and running my recent half marathon in the Grid Type A5. When you’ve found the right shoe you know it.

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By: James Reeves https://runblogger.com/2012/10/neutral-running-shoes-need-not-be-goal.html#comment-682829172 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=220#comment-682829172 I ran for a long time in shoes designed to eliminate pronation on the advice (from a running store sales rep) that I over-pronated. The shoes also had lots of cushioning. I struggled with nagging lower leg injuries. Several years later I regularly run in neutral shoes with less drop and lower stack heights with no ill effects. For me the important test is what you refer to as “torsional flexibility” or as I simply call it “the pretzel test”. I have found I can run in a mild stability or neutral shoe, low stack or not (I prefer low shoes) and mid-range drop (4-8mm is my sweet spot). But the pretzel test rules. Too twisty and my feet will end up feeling battered. Don’t get sucked in by the marketing and hype.

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By: kamilothoris https://runblogger.com/2012/10/neutral-running-shoes-need-not-be-goal.html#comment-682689657 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=220#comment-682689657 In reply to Pete Larson.

Your experience as a runner comes into play here.
Buy a shoe that is very built up in order to “protect” you and cushion you from the elements and “injury” and instead of the shoe disappearing on your foot, your foot disappears in the shoe.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2012/10/neutral-running-shoes-need-not-be-goal.html#comment-683173821 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=220#comment-683173821 In reply to Eric Johnson.

Thanks for letting me know Eric. I guess my response would be that I’m not sure I’d be willing to pay that kind of money unless the process has been vetted and proven to be effective. We got into the mess we’re in now by smart people proposing fitting models that were never really proven to be effective, and now that we’ve found out that they aren’t particularly effective, we look back on the last 30 years and have to ask ourselves why we did what we did. The other big problem is that any fitting protocol relies on honesty from the manufacturers that their shoes do what they say they’ll do. So if the protocol calss for stability, do they specify which shoes to choose from.

I can see paying that money to attend a workshop for CEU’s or something like that, but this kind of rubs me the wrong way.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2012/10/neutral-running-shoes-need-not-be-goal.html#comment-683177667 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=220#comment-683177667 In reply to John L.

You beat me to it – that was exactly my question. I’d need some evidence suggesting to me that this is better than what we have now before I bought into it.

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By: Patrick https://runblogger.com/2012/10/neutral-running-shoes-need-not-be-goal.html#comment-692520644 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=220#comment-692520644 I agree with you John. Just wear and feel. You’ll know the right shoes for you when you try walking with it for a day. Forget the brand. Go with what your feet feels happy in.

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