Comments on: On Running Shoe Wear and Outsole Durability https://runblogger.com/2012/09/on-running-shoe-wear-and-outsole.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Wed, 14 May 2014 01:57:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.12 By: Paul https://runblogger.com/2012/09/on-running-shoe-wear-and-outsole.html#comment-1129630556 Wed, 14 May 2014 01:57:04 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=238#comment-1129630556 One factor in lack of running shoe sole durability is that many outsoles are made of polyurethane.

While you might believe that a material used for automobile tire construction would have to be durable, polyurethane deteriorates faster than latex (natural) rubber. PU (great abbreviation) quickly spontaneously deteriorates without exposure to UV, moisture or heat. Latex rubber does not. Since converting to using polyurethane, most tire manufacturers have changed their warranties to 5 years, and recommend replacing tires older than that, and “obsolete” tire models every 4-5 years to assure that tires are sold before they can show signs of obvious deterioration.

When a new tire/sole is used on a daily basis, the wear isn’t as noticeable, but if the product is used infrequently, the PU actually breaks down faster. In tires this manifests as cracking along the bottoms of the grooves and spies. In shoes it manifests as rapid tread wear and outsole separation.

To get maximum tread life from a shoe with a PU sole, buy a new model shoe from a major manufacturer and wear it until it starts to show uneven treadwear. When it does, recoat the worn areas with a thin layer of Freesole. A thin coating of newly cured PU will be more durable than the older uncoated area.

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By: Dr. Nathan Hinkeldey, D.C. https://runblogger.com/2012/09/on-running-shoe-wear-and-outsole.html#comment-655693571 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=238#comment-655693571 This is a great blog. I enjoy following the content. I have had many patients with similar issue that have benefited from many of the recommendations on this blog. We are currently doing a series on hamstring strains and then working my way to the knee and foot and would love to include you in a feature. Any interest??
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By: L3vi https://runblogger.com/2012/09/on-running-shoe-wear-and-outsole.html#comment-654912792 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=238#comment-654912792 TYPE A4 – 2500km and still using, very durable shoe, very responsive, just love it. Only setback is the heel-counter – doesn’t disturb, but the INOV-8 no-heel-counter solution is preferable for me.

Hyperspeed 4 – 2000km and still using, but the red foam is sort of gone till the mid-eva. It is a very soft and mushy shoe, every small road items penetrate through the sole.
I am not really a shuffler, but when the surface is wet, I tend to have slippage forward. So for me the best time for posture practice is on wet roads, or at winter time on snowy and icy roads. I think the “running in place with high knees” exercise can help a lot to understand what should happen during real running. They call it sometimes 100 knee-ups or sg. I am doing a lot for warming up, to imprint it to my mind. Land softly under my body on for/midfoot, when heel touches the ground relax the calves, then use the hip-flexors to lo drive up the knee, quads, glutes and hammies are relaxed.

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By: Chase https://runblogger.com/2012/09/on-running-shoe-wear-and-outsole.html#comment-654779167 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=238#comment-654779167 I was actually thinking about posting a question on the forum related to my issue with minimal shoe wear. I have been making the transition for the past couple of years and now run exclusively in zero drop shoes. Though I have gradually adopted a forefoot strike and a shorter stride, I find that I am landing on the outside of my “forefeet.” A friend made a comment on it during a half marathon, and when I looked at my shoes afterwards (Altra Instincts at the time), the outside, front edges were chewed up. I guessed that the cushioning in the Altras were allowing my foot to land like that, so I switched to a pair non-cushioned shoes (Inov-8 BareX 180s) and literally ran a hole through the sole where the outside portion of the ball of my feet came into contact with the shoe (i.e. about an inch “down” from my smallest toe) after 150 miles. Not sure if anyone has any thoughts on that type of wear pattern, but I would be happy to donate my shoes to science.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2012/09/on-running-shoe-wear-and-outsole.html#comment-662091306 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=238#comment-662091306 In reply to Nina Rose.

I agree, video can be extremely helpful in figuring all of this out.

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By: Nina Rose https://runblogger.com/2012/09/on-running-shoe-wear-and-outsole.html#comment-661981494 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=238#comment-661981494 In reply to Kiwi Steve.

Wow – interesting perspective on the calf issue. I’ve had a few issues with my feet that were supposedly because of tight calves with my transition into more minimal shoes (Posterior tibial tendinitis in my right foot and a bit of tendinitis on the top of my left foot which I know can be caused by too-tight shoes and/or tight calves, so I’m trying to fix both). I also tend to wear out the bottom of my shoes, though it’s in the forefoot and not the heel (good), but it’s pretty concentrated in a few spots, which shows me that my stride is not right.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2012/09/on-running-shoe-wear-and-outsole.html#comment-655645752 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=238#comment-655645752 In reply to B Davis.

What type of shin splints do you have? Pain on the front of the shin, or on the inner side above the ankle?

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By: Dave https://runblogger.com/2012/09/on-running-shoe-wear-and-outsole.html#comment-654879032 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=238#comment-654879032 I used to run in the Brooks Trance, a typical pronation control shoe. After a couple hundred miles, I would see heavy wear on the back/outside of the heel, and maybe half as much wear on the front/inside sole beside the big toe. My shoes ‘lasted’ 400 miles, though that was more of a midsole compression issue than a sole wear issue.

I adjusted my form and switched to minimal shoes about 4 years ago and I now see little or no wear on the heel, except maybe a bit on the ones I do walking in. I do see a fair amount of wear in an oval at the center of my forefoot, and a little bit under the big toe. I tend towards the forefoot end of midfoot striking, and think I have a little bit of a twist on lift-off (possibly pronation related – more wear on my right side which pronates more), which may increase wear. I wore through a pair of Vibram KSO’s after ~1000+ miles (small hole right under base of 2nd metatarsal), and recently tossed a pair of Merrell Trail Gloves after 1200 miles. The Trail Gloves were still quite runnable as a road shoe (the trail nubs under forefoot were worn flat), but the stink had reached a critical level.

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By: Nina Rose https://runblogger.com/2012/09/on-running-shoe-wear-and-outsole.html#comment-661994560 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=238#comment-661994560 In reply to Nina Rose.

http://www.dailymile.com/peopl… A picture of my wear pattern on my (fairly) new A4s :( Left foot is where my current foot is bothering me (what I’m guessing is tendinitis on the top of my foot) and the knee that was formerly hurting. This is a new tendinitis (the right foot was posterior tibial from TMTS in 0 drop shoes… this injury appeared last week after a 10-miler)

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By: PurdueMatt https://runblogger.com/2012/09/on-running-shoe-wear-and-outsole.html#comment-656617026 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=238#comment-656617026 I too used to destroy the heel of my shoes. Now that I’ve changed to good form running, I’ve put 400 miles on my Kinvara 3’s without much noticeable wear.

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By: John Binns https://runblogger.com/2012/09/on-running-shoe-wear-and-outsole.html#comment-660686658 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=238#comment-660686658 I have assessed the wear on my running shoes since I changed my running technique and it is quite clearly reflected on my shoes that the wear has changed substantially (I posted the results on my blog http://www.runchaser.com/2012/… ).

However it seems as if I am still heel striking a little on one foot. I like your analogy of the way a helicopter lands, meaning that the foot should be landing pretty much flat on the ground.

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By: amg https://runblogger.com/2012/09/on-running-shoe-wear-and-outsole.html#comment-654849097 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=238#comment-654849097 My wear has changed dramatically – I used to run in some trad Asics and would wear down the outsie of the heel very quickly. Then I ran for a year & half in just VFFs, and now use NikeFree – in the latter I just logged 800km – a little wear on the heel, but mostly on the forefoot, however I can still clearly see all the sole pattern. I should get many more kms out of them. (There is midsole compression, but I dont mind it. )

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