Comments on: Study: Impact Loading Rate in Running Reduced by Adopting a Midfoot Strike https://runblogger.com/2012/08/study-impact-loading-rate-in-running.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:49:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.11 By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2012/08/study-impact-loading-rate-in-running.html#comment-669533987 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=257#comment-669533987 In reply to Fernando.

Yep, our curiosity gets the better of us :) Happened to me and glad I started to experiment. And yes, the Kinvara is a great and pretty safe choice for an experiment – you may actually find you don’t want to go back!

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By: Benjamin Chan https://runblogger.com/2012/08/study-impact-loading-rate-in-running.html#comment-625179427 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=257#comment-625179427 With respect to your question #1, with a study size of n=9, it wouldn’t be overwhelming to see a longitudinal data plot of loading rates under the various conditions. Example is here
http://wiki.stdout.org/rcookbo

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By: Blaise Dubois https://runblogger.com/2012/08/study-impact-loading-rate-in-running.html#comment-625618255 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=257#comment-625618255 Hi Pete,
It’s a pleasure to comment (with my horrible English). Will try to be brief.

1. The average VLR of all participants together was lower when increase cadence, but not significant… so yes it’s possible that the small sample size was the reason.
2. The average cadence was 172. (hight for recreational runners)… so it’s possible that the VLR didn’t change as much when cadence increase to 189 (10%) than someone starting to 150 and changing for 165 (more common with my patient)
3. In my practice (not nine but thousands of patients) there is a lot of inter-individual answers to biomechanical interventions. I don’t have a sophisticate plat form integrate to my treadmill but I use various very simple things to quantify the impact force, like the noise at the impact (suggest by Dr Davis to be a valid intervention) and an accelerometer place on the treadmill.

My clinical point : every runner is different and prescription/advices to
different individuals have to be personalized. Indeed, it is possible to
decrease the impact force of runners (mostly the VLR) by modifying running
form. However, strategies which cause significant reduction in heard impact may
be different from one runner to another, and have to be recommended
accordingly. Most durable (automatic instead of voluntary) and most simple
interventions will be preferred.

Most of the time, I use these four interventions with
runners when trying to decrease the impact force, number 1 being my most
frequent and effective intervention.

1. Minimize shoe interference (decrease cushioning and ramp)

2. Increase step frequency / shorter stride (170 to 190 steps
per minute)

3. Voluntary reduction of impact noise

4. Midfoot strike

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By: Daniel Riou https://runblogger.com/2012/08/study-impact-loading-rate-in-running.html#comment-625666420 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=257#comment-625666420 In reply to Blaise Dubois.

Hi Blaise,
I’m curious about one of your intervention. In your practice, do you sometimes use only the first intervention (minimize shoe interference) ? If so, does that intervention alone is enough to increase stride frequency / shorter stride?

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By: Hugh https://runblogger.com/2012/08/study-impact-loading-rate-in-running.html#comment-625218959 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=257#comment-625218959 I wonder what the rear foot inversion moment graphs look like.

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By: Fernando https://runblogger.com/2012/08/study-impact-loading-rate-in-running.html#comment-664614547 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=257#comment-664614547 Hi Pete and Blaise. I can consider myself a mid foot striker: I tend to land with both heel and ball of the feet; I land with the whole outside of my feet, in other words. This happens when I run on a standard shoe (Saucony Ride 4, Muzuno Wave Elixir 7) or even a shoe with slyly less offset, as the Saucony Triumph 9. Thing is, as sonn as I wear a flatter shoe (Inov8 195; 2mm drop) I become a forefoot striker and land with the ball of the feet first. I chaged to Invo8 and I first love the feeling of the terrain; but, after some running seasons I experinced calf pain and, unfortunatelly, develop difficult-to-cure plantar fascitis after stepping on an acurate stone (I am totally recover by at this point). Question is: is it woth another try in more minimalitic shoes? Or shoud I stay the way I am with more or less “normal” shoes? P.S: I am really enjoying Pete`s book at the moment. Very interesting :D

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2012/08/study-impact-loading-rate-in-running.html#comment-664680356 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=257#comment-664680356 In reply to Fernando.

I’d say stick with what works that allows you to run pain free and accomplish the goals that you have for your running. The end goal need not be zero drop for every runner, just what works best for each individual. Thanks for reading my book!

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By: Blaise Dubois https://runblogger.com/2012/08/study-impact-loading-rate-in-running.html#comment-625735082 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=257#comment-625735082 In reply to Daniel Riou.

Yes…
Yes for most of runners…
The average increase of cadence to our clinic (hundreds of patients calculated specifically for that) from their usual shoes to barefoot is 10 (0 to 20 depending of the client). For minimalist shoes (compare to traditional-maximalist shoes) is very variable. Some have the same result than barefoot, some no difference. It’s depends the client and how much minimalist is the shoes.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2012/08/study-impact-loading-rate-in-running.html#comment-625308077 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=257#comment-625308077 In reply to Benjamin Chan.

I really like seeing the raw data myself since I’m fascinated by the individual responses to various interventions. I think Blaise is going to address some of the questions I had.

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By: Fernando https://runblogger.com/2012/08/study-impact-loading-rate-in-running.html#comment-669403074 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=257#comment-669403074 In reply to Pete Larson.

Thaks Peter. I think I will stay more or less the same way, but the researcher in me will try to seek new shoes to run with…I guess you will undestand. At some point I will try something like Kinvaras, which does not look as “dangerous” to me. And probably combine them with some barefoot running in the beach near my home; running on sand is something I have always donde in my youth with no trouble at all.

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By: Brett Davis https://runblogger.com/2012/08/study-impact-loading-rate-in-running.html#comment-626789350 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=257#comment-626789350 In my short experience with transitioning to a midfoot strike, I have also noticed an increase in gastrocnemius (calf) usage (sore after running) compared to when I ran heel striking. This was in conjunction with switching to a zero drop shoe. While the evidence is anecdotal, I can tell there is less stress on lower body joints, suggesting a decrease in loading rate. My wife experienced similar results when she switched to a zero drop shoe and midfoot strike. So my “seat of the pants” results are similar to those found in the study. Thanks for sharing.

http://www.barefootbrett.com

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