Comments on: Effect of Step Rate on Lower Limb Loading in Runners https://runblogger.com/2012/04/effect-of-step-rate-on-lower-limb.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:19:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.12 By: Jake2012 https://runblogger.com/2012/04/effect-of-step-rate-on-lower-limb.html#comment-513434894 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=333#comment-513434894 Classic underpowered study.  Although this data shows a trend that is expected, the statistical significance is lacking.  Only when forced to run slower than the naturally chosen stride right did you see a statistical difference.  The faster stride rates surely were not statistically significant compared to the natural rate.  Don’t confuse statistical significance with practical significance.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2012/04/effect-of-step-rate-on-lower-limb.html#comment-509359640 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=333#comment-509359640 In reply to Kevin.

No, sample sizes are typically fairly small for this type of study. The problem with doing overground studies that address this type of question is that it requires that people run over a force plate, which always makes one wonder about plate targeting and alteration of stride to hit the plate – I ahve a hard enough time not being conscious of my form just when passing by a video camera, let alone trying to step on a particular spot. I don’t put much stock in results of studies that merely have people run along a short runway to hit a force plate. Until we get mobile force sensors that can do this inside a shoe without being too cumbersome we are restricted to treadmill data. I think one of the big things we are lacking in running research is more “real world” data. That’s one of the reasons I have enjoyed filming road races in slow-mo – can’t measure forces, but get to see what people really do out on the road.

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By: Coachwegs https://runblogger.com/2012/04/effect-of-step-rate-on-lower-limb.html#comment-509752603 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=333#comment-509752603 I can provide a little insight on the cadence issue. Two years ago, when I read the book ” born to run”, and first heard about midfoot striking, natural running and cadence, the Harvard study by draw. Lieberman opened my eyes to impact force related to foot strike. I was a heavy heal striker with a cadence of 156-160 spm. I taught myself to midfoot strike and worked on increasing my cadence. Before this process I was a 30-35 mile per week runner competing in primarily 5k races and running one marathon per hearing Boston qualifying times. That one marathon pretty much wiped out my knees, hip and lower back for a few months after.three months of transitioning to midfoot and increasing cadence, I am now running at 172 spm, averaging 50 miles per week, and have run 8 ultra marathons in the last 18 months, including a 100 miler last labor day. I just recently ran a personal best on a brutally hilly 30 course by 30 minutes. I give credit to the fact that I’m getting more comfortable with my stride and cadence. Quick and light is what I tell myself when I run. Having turned 51 a few months ago, I believe this new running style has renewed my love for distance running and affirmed the fact that you’re rep never too old to run a personal record.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2012/04/effect-of-step-rate-on-lower-limb.html#comment-513441567 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=333#comment-513441567 In reply to Jake2012.

Yep, I agree. Sample size of 10 makes detecting differences problematic. I also suspect the magnitude of difference would increase at a faster pace. But, I think it supports the general idea that increasing cadence reduces loading, which has been shown by other studies and is something that is advocated as effective by some highly respected clinicians.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2012/04/effect-of-step-rate-on-lower-limb.html#comment-509362464 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=333#comment-509362464 In reply to kamilothoris.

No plans currently – they don’t appeal much to me. I’d try them, but don’t want to pay that price just to try a shoe out.

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By: Jeff Gaudette https://runblogger.com/2012/04/effect-of-step-rate-on-lower-limb.html#comment-516561447 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=333#comment-516561447 In reply to Jeff Gaudette.

 Study here, meant to link it: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu

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By: Kevin https://runblogger.com/2012/04/effect-of-step-rate-on-lower-limb.html#comment-508994108 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=333#comment-508994108 To be honest, I think the sample size is quite small. As you concluded – although this study is consistent with previous research, it’s still insufficient to generalize the results based on 10 male runners “running” at 10:45 min/mile pace.
Coming from a biomedical engineering background, I noticed that many biomechanical studies are conducted on the treadmill for the ease of manipulating the control variable such as pace. Prior to partaking distance running after grad school, I had no idea how drastically different it is to run on the road from the treadmill. This is why sometimes I suspect that many researchers aren’t runners themselves. Pete, Have you come across similar studies done on the road with a larger sample size?

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2012/04/effect-of-step-rate-on-lower-limb.html#comment-509786190 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=333#comment-509786190 In reply to Coachwegs.

Great story coach, and one I hear frequently. I have a buddy locally who has a very similar story. He’s an ultrarunner but had big shin problems when running long distance. Modified his stride and went to flat shoes and finished four 100 milers last year, winning one of them. Not saying everyone has to do it, but it clearly is of great benefit to some.

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By: kamilothoris https://runblogger.com/2012/04/effect-of-step-rate-on-lower-limb.html#comment-509153388 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=333#comment-509153388 Irrelevant completely but when will you review the Hoka Mafate 2? :)

I think those would have an effect on my step rate and lower limb loads!

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2012/04/effect-of-step-rate-on-lower-limb.html#comment-509361774 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=333#comment-509361774 In reply to Denny.

See my response to Kevin – treadmills probably provide the cleanest data we can get given the current technology, but we always have that question of how well it applies to running out on the road. I suspect the general pattern would hold, but there are clearly some differences between treadmill and overground running.

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By: Bekah https://runblogger.com/2012/04/effect-of-step-rate-on-lower-limb.html#comment-509090160 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=333#comment-509090160 Regardless of statistical difficulties, in my anecdotal experience, I feel that I run more efficiently and am less prone to injury when I am focusing on a shorter stride/higher turnover.  Currently injured (!) so not exactly a great case study, but I think this info is on the right track, anyway.

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By: Jeff Gaudette https://runblogger.com/2012/04/effect-of-step-rate-on-lower-limb.html#comment-516559734 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=333#comment-516559734 Great post, Pete. Interestingly, another study conducted in 2011 at the University of Wisconsin analyzed the same variables, but had a slightly better sample size and better measurement tools.

Some 45 healthy recreational runners were recruited to run on a
treadmill at their normal easy run pace (between eight and nine minutes
per mile for most). Using 3D cameras and force plates, the
researchers analyzed the stride characteristics of the runners. After a control run, the runners were asked to increase
or decrease their stride frequencies by 5 and 10% for four additional
trials.

Using computer modeling, the researchers were able to piece
together exactly how the body distributed the impact force amongst the
ankles, knees, and hips. Though they didn’t measure the loading rate
directly, they monitored the impact transient—the spike in forces at
footstrike associated with a sharp loading rate.

As predicted, when the runners increased their stride rates, the
energy absorbed by the hip and knee joints decreased significantly
(interestingly, the energy absorbed by the ankle did not change
significantly). And sharp impact transients decreased at higher stride
frequencies.

The converse of this is also true: energy absorbed and
impact transients increased when the subjects were asked to decrease
their stride rate. The magnitude of the effects increased when the
subjects moved from ±5% to ±10%. So it appears that increasing
your stride frequency by five or ten percent is a good way to decrease
the impact loading on your joints and possibly prevent injury.

Thought you might be interested in that study and analysis. Wrote more about this here if you’re interested: http://runnersconnect.net/runn

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