Comments on: Application of the “Wet Test” and Static Arch Height for Assigning Running Shoes: Nails in the Coffin https://runblogger.com/2011/12/application-of-wet-test-and-static-arch.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Thu, 09 Oct 2014 11:58:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.11 By: Joe https://runblogger.com/2011/12/application-of-wet-test-and-static-arch.html#comment-1129893033 Thu, 09 Oct 2014 11:58:54 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=377#comment-1129893033 Thanks for the post Pete. I agree the wet-test can be very misleading. I suggest people look at their old shoes to see how they wear out. The wet test for instance says I have flat feet and so would need “stability” shoes..but my shoes wear out like those of an underpronator.

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By: Ericj076 https://runblogger.com/2011/12/application-of-wet-test-and-static-arch.html#comment-383845892 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=377#comment-383845892 In reply to Brian Martin.

there was a nice talk at the IRRA conference (http://www.therunningevent.com… in austin this week by the gait guys on their new 3 part fitting process they are rolling out in january.  intended audience is running speciality retailers and medical folks, i believe.  

it takes into account some static factors (forefoot/rearfoot varus/valgus, forefoot flexibility, etc), but more dynamic stuff too.  we only saw an intro.  

i took video from the entire 2 hour talk but only have a couple 14-15 min clips uploaded so far.  will try to get the rest up soon – feel free to share, pete.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v

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By: Ericj076 https://runblogger.com/2011/12/application-of-wet-test-and-static-arch.html#comment-383841286 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=377#comment-383841286 In reply to Annabelle.

hi annabelle, 

i’m a running retailer and a big fan of pete/blaise/etc.  i agree a lot with what they say.  for shoe fit, it’s important to have the running store employee measure both your foot length (at the toes) AND your arch length (while standing of course).  they should use a brannock device, the heavy metal thing you’ve seen at shoe stores all your life.

if your arch length is much shorter or longer than average for your total foot length, the toe joints may not line up in the shoe where it’s designed to bend.  this can put extra pressure on your feet in a bad way, especially if you are wearing more of a traditional shoe with more cushioning and less flexibility.

most people know to have space between their toes and the end of the shoe, but the arch length thing is not as commonly mentioned.

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By: Chris https://runblogger.com/2011/12/application-of-wet-test-and-static-arch.html#comment-384273677 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=377#comment-384273677 In reply to Brian Martin.

The main focus of shoe companies (as with all companies) is to make money and get people to buy shoes as quickly as possible. Here in Australia the biggest chain of sport shoe stores has a pressure pad thing you stand on which shows an image on a screen (bascially a glorified wet test) and they use this as a basis for recommending shoes. I was once talking to a guy that worked there and I asked hm why they don’t have a treadmill and he basically said that it takes too long and 95% of people who buy running shoes don’t really run in them anyway so it doesn’t matter if they are not the perfect shoes. They just want to get people in and out as quickly as possible and most people believe the pressure pad thing is scientific anyway. 

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By: Craig Brososky https://runblogger.com/2011/12/application-of-wet-test-and-static-arch.html#comment-385041937 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=377#comment-385041937 In reply to Blaise Dubois.

I agree that we should emphasize that normal biomechanical (anatomically constrained) variation is just that – normal. I would say that is it is clinically important to remember that running and/or activity is for all people – many of whom are not athletes. It is wonderful that some of the world’s best runners are illustrations of curious biomechanics such as G. Mutai and H. Geb – they are well adapted to their unique biomechanical milieu.

Great article Pete!

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By: Danny https://runblogger.com/2011/12/application-of-wet-test-and-static-arch.html#comment-389507607 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=377#comment-389507607 Hey, Pete,
Thanks for posting a fabulous article. I just seems to validate the emphasis on minimalist or ≤4mm drop shoes as being the best way for the greatest number of runners’ feet to “do the right thing” by not being interfered with by over-designed, over-built, and over-priced shoes.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/12/application-of-wet-test-and-static-arch.html#comment-383406624 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=377#comment-383406624 In reply to William69.

Wait, humans aren’t animals??? Oh, and I’m quite happy being a slow blogger :)
Sent from my iPad

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/12/application-of-wet-test-and-static-arch.html#comment-384907307 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=377#comment-384907307 In reply to Rand.

Ha! Thankfully I’ve managed to shift my day job focus so that it more closely meets my interests :)

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By: Ericj076 https://runblogger.com/2011/12/application-of-wet-test-and-static-arch.html#comment-385059395 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=377#comment-385059395 In reply to Craig Brososky.

it helps when you grow up barefoot and develop musculature to handle those styles!  but agreed…there’s no one perfect form…just a perfect form for each of us.

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By: Bennet Watson https://runblogger.com/2011/12/application-of-wet-test-and-static-arch.html#comment-891154255 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=377#comment-891154255 Static Analysis will NEVER be sufficient for determining proper footwear – and clearly not sufficient for determining which $500 orthotic one should be prescribed.

Active analysis is the only way to even begin to get at what is going on with a particular runner.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/12/application-of-wet-test-and-static-arch.html#comment-386343510 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=377#comment-386343510 In reply to Zerline de Boer.

Thanks for sharing your experience! I think your story is quite common for people with flat feet, and it need not be that way.

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By: William69 https://runblogger.com/2011/12/application-of-wet-test-and-static-arch.html#comment-383337315 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=377#comment-383337315 Um. Yeah, I’ve done the wet test running. but you’re right. Articles by slow bloggers who study animals (and make $$ off the craze), slow-mo vids of elites and books filled anecdotes about how barefoot running saved some douche is the way to go.

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