Comments on: The Once and Future Way to Run: NY Times Magazine Article by Christopher McDougall https://runblogger.com/2011/11/once-and-future-way-to-run-ny-times.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Wed, 02 Nov 2011 21:02:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.12 By: Brian Martin https://runblogger.com/2011/11/once-and-future-way-to-run-ny-times.html#comment-354295041 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=390#comment-354295041 Looks like a good drill the “100-up” will try it out and report back. I like the fact that the foot flattens and he touches down with the heel. Now I need to watch the video with the sound on!

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By: Ken B https://runblogger.com/2011/11/once-and-future-way-to-run-ny-times.html#comment-361393921 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=390#comment-361393921 In reply to Pete Larson.

I apologize that my post comes across as elitist, I did a pretty poor job with it. After watching McDougals video I was admittedly perturbed and my post was essentially directed at McDougal himself, which is silly since he will never see it.

I feel it is worth mentioning that the “100 up” is very common in the sport except that it is generally just a drill called “high knees” and it’s compliment is “butt kicks.” If runners new to the sport follow McDougals advice and practice high knees thinking that it is a recipe for mastering running technique they will be disappointed with the results.

There are many people who have written books with great advice, people who have gone from couch potato to elite athlete and who have very valuable information to offer, it is my contention that McDougal is not one of them and that he should stop representing himself as a resource for running advice.

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By: Adam Klein https://runblogger.com/2011/11/once-and-future-way-to-run-ny-times.html#comment-357205762 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=390#comment-357205762 In reply to Ken.

Ken, you are hitting the point, foot strike is more like a side effect of all things that are happening with our body above – a good example is a weakness of our hips. Take a 8 hours overweight office worker and let him run along with Galen Rupp for example. There would be many differances but one very visible – range of motion of a thigh. Why is that? Uncomparable difference in force to weight ratio (plus different stretching). Attach a 3 kg weight to Galen’s knee and his running form wouldn’t be so nice.

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By: Ludo https://runblogger.com/2011/11/once-and-future-way-to-run-ny-times.html#comment-354453263 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=390#comment-354453263 Pete, what do you think of the “high-knee” vs. lifting the foot off the ground using hamstrings? 

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/11/once-and-future-way-to-run-ny-times.html#comment-354623257 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=390#comment-354623257 In reply to Ludo.

I don’t have strong feelings, and it will be somewhat related to speed. I think in general if you want to run faster, then propulsion through hip and knee extension plus plantarflexion of the foot are critical. Knee drive can help in forward propulsion, but for a recreational runner just trying to enjoy a run, approach may differ.
Sent from my iPad

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By: Brian Martin https://runblogger.com/2011/11/once-and-future-way-to-run-ny-times.html#comment-356679994 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=390#comment-356679994 In reply to Ken.

Thanks for the mention Pete. Ken I agree, getting away from foot-strike only driven thinking is key.

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By: Denvy Lo https://runblogger.com/2011/11/once-and-future-way-to-run-ny-times.html#comment-354417473 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=390#comment-354417473 What a great article. I’m a long-time reader of your blog, Pete, and I was pleasantly surprised to see your name on the NY Times article. You’ll be glad to know that you have fans as far away as Hong Kong!

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By: naturalrunningstore https://runblogger.com/2011/11/once-and-future-way-to-run-ny-times.html#comment-354777158 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=390#comment-354777158 Awesome Pete!  We to roll on this and congrats for being recognized as one of our great running voices.  Funny how the 100 Up Drill and jumping rope have a ton of similarities.  I am not aware of anyone getting shin splints or fracturing bones when jumping rope.  It would seem pretty logical to apply those principles (good posture, land softly under center of mass) when moving forward.  But this is the running industry and logic isn’t always marketable.  Keep up the good work! Cheers-Patton

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/11/once-and-future-way-to-run-ny-times.html#comment-354623565 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=390#comment-354623565 In reply to Denvy Lo.

Thanks Denvy!

Sent from my iPad

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By: Tom Davidson https://runblogger.com/2011/11/once-and-future-way-to-run-ny-times.html#comment-355074908 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=390#comment-355074908 Nice article, thanks for including the link to the video. This looks like a worthwhile thing to incorporate into my winter training/indoors. I have seen my running improve greatly since starting to consider form and technique more this year. 

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By: Ken B https://runblogger.com/2011/11/once-and-future-way-to-run-ny-times.html#comment-360823904 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=390#comment-360823904 McDougal, although great at dramatic writing, is a terrible runner. He
is always going around offering up running advice but the guys technique
is downright ugly. A slow and inefficient jogger, like McDougal, is not
qualified to give out advice on “the lost technique of perfect
running.” I do not disagree with minimalism, but McDougal’s logic is
inconsistent at best, he has no place handing out running advice.

The 100 up looks like a helpful training tool for runners who already
understand what it takes to be an efficient runner, it also looks like a
recipe for creating a mass of bad run/joggers. The main mistake most
barefoot runners make is in having a circular motion going on directly
underneath their center of mass, this is inefficient. Elite runners maintain
a circular motion going on behind them, once the leg has come forward
ahead of the center of mass inefficiency starts and a sloppy bouncy
running technique, like that of McDougals, starts.

McDougal needs to let other runners know that he is not a good runner,
and that the advice that he is handing out will only get other runners
to an equally poor level of running. He should also stop with the
barefoot nonsense, I know that statement will not sit well with most of
crowd on this blog, at some point running barefoot is just silly.
Even the great Bikila would have opted for some shoes if they had some
in his size. Most competitive runners can kick their shoes off and beat
the pants of off the 5 fingers crowd, and all competitive runners
recognize that in order to stay injury free, and to be competitive,
shoes with padding are a HUGE benefit. That’s not to say that proper
running technique and mastery is not important, they are essential.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/11/once-and-future-way-to-run-ny-times.html#comment-354301813 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=390#comment-354301813 In reply to Brian Martin.

Looks at lot like a typical high-knees drill.

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