Comments on: Moses Mosop Bounces on his Forefeet and Floats Through the Air to Win the Chicago Marathon! https://runblogger.com/2011/10/moses-mosop-bounces-on-his-forefeet-and.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:10:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.11 By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/10/moses-mosop-bounces-on-his-forefeet-and.html#comment-333467413 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=399#comment-333467413 In reply to Robert Osfield.

I actually sent that link to Steve :) i had Mosop in mind when i read that turkey article…it’s a good question, and I’m not sure of the answer, but i suspect it might be the case.
Sent from my iPad

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By: Bob https://runblogger.com/2011/10/moses-mosop-bounces-on-his-forefeet-and.html#comment-333195841 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=399#comment-333195841 Pete, what is the difference between “swing time” and “aerial time”? Thanks.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/10/moses-mosop-bounces-on-his-forefeet-and.html#comment-333147213 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=399#comment-333147213 In reply to Joe Garland.

Yes, and as they point out in that thread, she heel strikes, but does not appear to overstride (like Meb). It’s the combo that seems to be the problem. As I like to say, there’s more than one way to be a heel striker.

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By: JohnCT https://runblogger.com/2011/10/moses-mosop-bounces-on-his-forefeet-and.html#comment-332512592 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=399#comment-332512592 Great post!  What do you think of this guy’s form vs. the kids on the adjoining page?
http://runnersworld.coverleaf….

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By: Robert Osfield https://runblogger.com/2011/10/moses-mosop-bounces-on-his-forefeet-and.html#comment-333377887 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=399#comment-333377887 Just came across the following link from Steve Magnes’ twitter feed on http://www.scienceofrunning.co… :

http://www.futurity.org/scienc

The interesting part for me is how the turkeys are pre-activating their muscle to prevent them from lengthening on impact, instead using their tendons to handle the impact, then post impact letting their muscles lengthen.  Is this happening to us when we run?  I would guess it’s quite likely, especially for those of Moses Mosop :-)

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By: Runningcoach262 https://runblogger.com/2011/10/moses-mosop-bounces-on-his-forefeet-and.html#comment-331752807 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=399#comment-331752807 In reply to Mark U..

Thanks for posting this data again, Pete.  And thanks for the video, Mark.  I also watched the race in Chicago, and it’s also worth noting that Mosop runs with his head tilted back (like a sprinter) and his torso twisted significantly to one side — two quirks that I would normally try to eliminate in an amateur distance runner’s form. However, clearly there is no need to tamper with Mosop’s running style!  In fact, seeing him run, as well as seeing the pictures and data you have posted on the form(s) of other elites, makes me want to rethink the practice of messing around with people’s form to begin with…Aside from discouraging something like a runner’s tendency to overstride dramatically, maybe we should leave well enough alone.

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By: Joe Garland https://runblogger.com/2011/10/moses-mosop-bounces-on-his-forefeet-and.html#comment-333644649 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=399#comment-333644649 In reply to Pete Larson.

Which is what we agreed upon on RunnersRoundTable. All heel-strikers are not created equal and the key is the big “O”, Overstriding.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/10/moses-mosop-bounces-on-his-forefeet-and.html#comment-332215672 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=399#comment-332215672 In reply to Ewen.

I’m sure some will. However, it’s very hard to tease apart just what makes one elite better than another. Could be technique, but could also be better training, physiology, etc. Or maybe oner was just in better shape on a given race day.

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By: Bob Schroedter https://runblogger.com/2011/10/moses-mosop-bounces-on-his-forefeet-and.html#comment-332734093 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=399#comment-332734093 On a related note there’s an interesting breakdown of Makau’s WR performance compared with Gebrselassie’s WR that Makau broke on The Science of Sport: http://www.sportsscientists.co

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By: AK https://runblogger.com/2011/10/moses-mosop-bounces-on-his-forefeet-and.html#comment-332845459 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=399#comment-332845459 Just wondering, is form like this even practical for the recreational runner?

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By: Ewen https://runblogger.com/2011/10/moses-mosop-bounces-on-his-forefeet-and.html#comment-332191165 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=399#comment-332191165 Yes, there’s variation amongst elite runners but when Mosop runs 2:02 will we say it’s *because* of his springy stride? That his short stance time, long aerial time is why he’s minutes faster than other runners?

I’d love some high-speed data on Paula Radcliffe. She also has a springy stride and was minutes faster than other elite women marathoners.

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By: Mark U. https://runblogger.com/2011/10/moses-mosop-bounces-on-his-forefeet-and.html#comment-331688649 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=399#comment-331688649 I saw Mosop first-hand as an injury unfortunately pulled me off the course. Consequently, I made a video of the lead elite pack at miles 1.5, 13.1, 16.5 and the finish, and posted it last night to my blog at http://runinamerica.com

What’s amazing about the gait of the first five finishers is that their pace, though an amazing ~4:40-4:50 doesn’t *seem* fast at all. Frankly I’m a bit perplexed since normally I’m quite accurate in assessing the approximate speed of other runners with a quick glance, but these elites totally shift my perspective since they look so naturally relaxed!

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