Comments on: Preview of late 2011-early 2012 Minimalist Shoes from Merrell, Vivobarefoot, Inov-8, GoLite, Altra, and Teva (via Damien Tougas at Toesalad) https://runblogger.com/2011/08/preview-of-late-2011-early-2012.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Mon, 22 Aug 2011 02:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.12 By: Alex Beecher https://runblogger.com/2011/08/preview-of-late-2011-early-2012.html#comment-292813338 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=419#comment-292813338 I’m thrilled to see the flatter sole on the road glove. The uneven bottom is the one thing that’s kept me from using the trail glove on pavement as much as a might otherwise. It also makes it a little uncomfortable for daily walking around in. 

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By: Damien @ Outsideways https://runblogger.com/2011/08/preview-of-late-2011-early-2012.html#comment-292935199 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=419#comment-292935199 In reply to Corey.

I, among others, am VERY excited to see minimalist shoes with big lugs. The majority of minimalist trail shoes out there are for just that: hard-packed trails. Those shoes tend to not work so well when off-trail on loose soil, talus/scree, mud, etc.

Even on the trails… In the western US/Rockies, a lot of the trails I have seen are hard, compacted rock/dirt that is often dry. Smaller lugs are fine in those conditions. Out here in the east, the trails are often soil/dirt that can often be soft, not to mention the fact they also are often damp or wet. Bigger lugs are a huge benefit in those conditions.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/08/preview-of-late-2011-early-2012.html#comment-293023275 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=419#comment-293023275 In reply to briderdt.

But it sounds really technical, doesn’t it :)

If there is one thing you can always count on from running shoe makers, it’s that they never let scientific reality get in the way of marketing.

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By: Bob https://runblogger.com/2011/08/preview-of-late-2011-early-2012.html#comment-293678654 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=419#comment-293678654 In reply to Pete Larson.

I’d like someone (Merrell ?) to make a shoe with the Trail Glove / Sonic Glove fit on the Inov8 Baregrip sole.  I really like the Baregrip sole, but the shoe is way to narrow, pointy and straight in the toebox.  Trail Glove fits great, but traction is nothing special and not good in mud.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/08/preview-of-late-2011-early-2012.html#comment-294760547 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=419#comment-294760547 In reply to J.Mack.

No idea yet. Hoping to have a better idea in a month or so.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/08/preview-of-late-2011-early-2012.html#comment-293850735 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=419#comment-293850735 In reply to Damien @ Outsideways.

Photo of the Breatho Trail? http://www.facebook.com/photo….

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By: briderdt https://runblogger.com/2011/08/preview-of-late-2011-early-2012.html#comment-293021303 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=419#comment-293021303 The engineer in me had to laugh at the GoLite “coefficient of friction” stuff. Um… how do I kindly say “abjectly false”? The guy was talking out of his backside. Anyway… Yeah, really excited about the new Merrells, and really want to see Altra get the Lone Peak to market.

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By: Damien @ Outsideways https://runblogger.com/2011/08/preview-of-late-2011-early-2012.html#comment-293698168 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=419#comment-293698168 In reply to Bob.

I think that shoe has already been designed, but not yet released: The Breatho Trail from VIVOBAREFOOT (see the video). This should be out in spring 2012.

Also, from what I hear, I think we can expect something from Inov-8 built on their anatomical last but with a more aggressive sole. I have no idea when though…

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By: Caleb https://runblogger.com/2011/08/preview-of-late-2011-early-2012.html#comment-292794747 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=419#comment-292794747 I too am very interested in the vivobarefoot hiking boot.  It looked like the one they showed was all black.  I’m a police officer and I’ve been looking for a zero drop minimalist boot that complies with our policy.  So far this is the first I have seen.  They would make a killing if they marketed them in the colors which complied with military and police forces.  Anyone see or hear any more info on when they will come out?  Google has nothing that I’ve found. Cheers.

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By: Corey https://runblogger.com/2011/08/preview-of-late-2011-early-2012.html#comment-292832126 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=419#comment-292832126 Minimalist trail shoes are built with excessively large lugs. What do the manufacturers think people are running up their shoes? For me a few very small lugs will be good in pretty much ant trail condition save, mud. 

Another problem with excessively large lugs is they create pressure points were, if the sole was flat there would not be any.

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By: Robert Osfield https://runblogger.com/2011/08/preview-of-late-2011-early-2012.html#comment-293659007 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=419#comment-293659007 In reply to briderdt.

I watched the GoLite video and didn’t find his discussion of “coefficient of friction” inappropriate or misleading.  All shoes will utilise stiction (static friction threashod) and friction (when the shoes is moving relative to the ground), different treads and sole compounds will provide different levels of stiction and friction according to the type of ground/mousture.  

A coefficient of friction is simply a non dimensional cooefficient, and is a reasonable to measure relative grip qualities of different soles. 

I don’t quite see what your objection would be.  Sure it would have been better for him to go into stiction and friction, and the role of different terrains, and how soft ground affects the results.

Personally I don’t have an objects to lots of small lugs rather a smaller number of large lugs for most terrain I run on.  If on this terarin GoLite have found small lugs works best then great.  However, I’d not take their word for it.. I’d want to take them out on a trail.  I’d also expect on really muddy ground that small lugs just won’t cut down through the surface deep enough to give good grip, so I suspect that won’t cut it for here in the UK when fell racing.

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By: business card magnets https://runblogger.com/2011/08/preview-of-late-2011-early-2012.html#comment-293512335 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=419#comment-293512335 I’ve run many miles  and I think it really works great on roads and trails.  One day I’d love to corner some shoe designers and ask them about
“male” vs “female” shoes. Are they built differently, or is it all
about aesthetics and marketing.

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