Comments on: Abebe Bikila: The Man, The Legend, The Heel Striker??? https://runblogger.com/2011/07/abebe-bikila-man-legend-heel-striker.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Fri, 01 Jul 2011 17:19:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.12 By: Mark U. https://runblogger.com/2011/07/abebe-bikila-man-legend-heel-striker.html#comment-240339456 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=447#comment-240339456 Thanks to Robin Judice for the YouTube link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…. The footage from 5:00-6:30 clearly shows Bikala’s barefoot 1960 Rome stride well. Comparing same versus his shod 1964 Tokyo performance allows us to see his stride adaptations facilitated by his wearing Puma’s (what we would today describe as a minimalist neutral shoe). As you’ve already noted Bikila’s shod versus unshod contact phase is clearly much more of a heel versus his prior midfoot strike, and if I’m not mistaken may also have a slightly slower leg turnover that’s more than made-up for via a longer stride evident both on the contact and the propulsive phases of his gait. Both in ’60 and ’64 Bikala’s stride is a thing of beauty, but as his shod performance is nearly 4-minutes faster this helps answer the question why nobody is expected to run London’s Olympics barefoot!  

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By: RunningPT12 https://runblogger.com/2011/07/abebe-bikila-man-legend-heel-striker.html#comment-240861955 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=447#comment-240861955 Good stuff (as usual) Pete! The thing that I chew on often with all of this and with the video analyses on the runners in our clinic is the whole combination of footstrike type, along with the degree of knee flexion and position of the tibia compared to vertical  at footstrike and early stance. I’m not aware of any formal definition of overstriding at this point but I do try to quantify this by measuring the distance from the approximated vertical line through the center of mass of the trunk to the rearmost point of the footstrike. I generally find that if this distance is more than 30cm or so, there’s more of a correlation with knee or lower leg injury. ( I probably need to think more about tightening the criteria on this by taking account of the runner’s leg length (either measured on the table or the “virtual” leg length while running with the distance from trochanter to heel (regardless of how flexed the knee is at footstrike) and looking at the ratio between the two). Fortunately, Dartfish makes this relatively easy to do – I just have to make sure to have my meter references on the ground just behind the path of the runners for calibration. 

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By: Gain https://runblogger.com/2011/07/abebe-bikila-man-legend-heel-striker.html#comment-240179715 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=447#comment-240179715 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
Here is some barefoot bilika, near end is good but needs to be slowed down

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/07/abebe-bikila-man-legend-heel-striker.html#comment-240541194 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=447#comment-240541194 In reply to Peter Pedersen.

I agree, as I have seen from any number of high level marathon runners, you can do quite well with a mild heel strike. What I don’t see most of these guys doing is the big extension at the knee so that the foot lands way in front of the knee at contact. I’m afraid that heel strike has become a bit of a dirty word so to speak, and it forces people to push too hard and hurt themselves by forcing the opposite extreme. I tend to believe that over striding is the bigger problem, and that foot strike is just one potential piece of that puzzle.

Pete

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By: Richard Ayotte https://runblogger.com/2011/07/abebe-bikila-man-legend-heel-striker.html#comment-240871185 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=447#comment-240871185 In reply to Pete Larson.

Yes, and that’s a good point and it’s something that I hadn’t really considered before. Now that you’ve shown this, it looks like we need to redefine what good form is, which might or might not have anything to do with which 1/3 of the foot touched the ground first. This is interesting and I hope we can see more studies on how much and which muscles activate during impact.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/07/abebe-bikila-man-legend-heel-striker.html#comment-240160797 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=447#comment-240160797 In reply to Paul Rodman.

I suspect you are probably right – lots of variation in how the foot
approaches the ground. Bikila is clearly starting to pull his foot back,
others do not.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/07/abebe-bikila-man-legend-heel-striker.html#comment-240542757 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=447#comment-240542757 In reply to Robin Judice.

Robin,

Thanks for sharing, good stuff! How did you like the conference in Shepherdstown?

Pete

Sent from my iPad

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/07/abebe-bikila-man-legend-heel-striker.html#comment-240160293 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=447#comment-240160293 In reply to Mark U..

Mark,

Good questions – can’t think of a study that looks at leg positioning and
forces off the top of my head. Heiderscheit’s 2011 paper did look at stride
length, stride rate, and impact at the knee and hip:
https://runblogger.com/2010

Need to go try an dig up some barefoot footage of Bikila now!

Pete

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By: Anders Torger https://runblogger.com/2011/07/abebe-bikila-man-legend-heel-striker.html#comment-240962598 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=447#comment-240962598 Perhaps Benno Nigg’s assumption is correct, that heel striking is no less natural than midfoot/forefoot, but follows naturally if the ground is soft enough (or the shoe cushioned enough). So that we should not consider heel-striking as unnatural, and not raise midfoot/forefoot as the only true natural way to run?

I’d like to see a test when habitually barefoot runners run on really soft ground. My guess is that they’ll still forefoot strike though…

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By: Mark U. https://runblogger.com/2011/07/abebe-bikila-man-legend-heel-striker.html#comment-240158504 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=447#comment-240158504 Another interesting post, thanks. Not all heel strikes are the same, that’s perfectly clear! I wonder if from force plate measurements whether anyone has attempted to correlate the transient impact force to the amount of bend in the leg at the moment of initial ground contact? Of course, consistent with your prior post the transient impact force, even if high, is likely to be much more easily born via muscle tissue than bone, cartilage and ligament (as would be the case with more of a straight leg upon impact).

It would also be fascinating to examine differences in the Bikala’s running stride between his barefoot Rome Olympic marathon run in ’60 and this excellent ’64 shod footage (I’d speculate that a he owed at least a portion of the ~4-minute faster shod Tokyo performance owing to slightly extending his stride via relying on the heel resiliency of his Puma shoes.)

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/07/abebe-bikila-man-legend-heel-striker.html#comment-241425197 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=447#comment-241425197 In reply to Scannon.

Sean,

Proprioreceptive heel strike is what I would call it as well. Foot strike is consistently defined in the literature as point of first contact, so to be consistent that is why I call this a heel strike. Nut, as we are discovering, foot strike is a spectrum rather than a set of categories, and forces do not always correlate with kinematics. I would also point out that if you make contact on the heel, it will cause some torque about the ankle forcing the foot to plantar flex. You can see this a few times in the Bikila video.

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By: Ken https://runblogger.com/2011/07/abebe-bikila-man-legend-heel-striker.html#comment-240214331 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=447#comment-240214331 I’m inclined to agree with you. Based on the videos I’ve watched of Abebe Bikila, when he ran barefoot, he landed on his forefoot, and when he ran in shoes, he landed on his heels. I’ve seen many other old videos of world class distance runners landing on their heels as well. If the runner is wearing shoes, and is not landing too far out in front of his or her body, I think it is clear that some people can run very well when landing on their heels. After all, there is much more to good running technique than heel strike vs forefoot/midfoot strike.

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