Comments on: Going Minimalist and Changing Form Help Ultrarunner Nathan Sanel Fix his Shins: Another Anecdote https://runblogger.com/2011/06/going-minimalist-and-changing-form-help.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.11 By: John Robinson https://runblogger.com/2011/06/going-minimalist-and-changing-form-help.html#comment-228753922 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=456#comment-228753922 In reply to Pete Larson.

I did end up with pretty sore calves for several days. I was able to run 14 on Wednesday night in my Asics, but stairs remain a bit tricky!

I just got back from 6.2 in the Kinvaras. It took 59 minutes, not bad for me, but I did notice that I negative split pretty well, which I almost never do. Mile 6 was at 8:20. Maybe because the shoes are lighter?

I tried to concentrate on reducing impact rather than how my foot was landing. I figure if it feels like I’m running “lighter” then I’m probably getting it right. It took a mile or so to figure it out.

I think I’m going to enjoy running in the Kinvaras, especially once the newly engaged muscles strengthen up a bit. The short term goal is, “don’t get injured.” The medium term goal is, finish Montreal in Sept. The long term goal is, “don’t get injured.”

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By: John Robinson https://runblogger.com/2011/06/going-minimalist-and-changing-form-help.html#comment-222576643 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=456#comment-222576643 I’ve tried a few miles in a pair of Saucony Kinvara 2. Having a bit of a hard time. Doesn’t quite “feel” right yet, but it’s only been a few times that I’ve gone out in them. I’m taking it slow and running the vast majority (90%) of my weekly miles in my Ascis 2150. The 2150s are nearing 400 miles, so I have to replace those anyhow. I may be looking for a shoe between them and the Kinvaras. Maybe going to a running coach or seeing if someone at the running club can help figure out my gait.

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By: James Williams https://runblogger.com/2011/06/going-minimalist-and-changing-form-help.html#comment-222369542 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=456#comment-222369542 Although being far from an ultra runner, I can totally relate.  The whole time I trained for my first 1/2 marathon my shins felt bruised and I had achilles issues.  About a year ago I bought a pair of Bikilas and it took some transition time, but now I have no shin or achilles pain. 

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By: John Robinson https://runblogger.com/2011/06/going-minimalist-and-changing-form-help.html#comment-223319566 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=456#comment-223319566 In reply to John Robinson.

I’m wearing the Kinvaras around town when I’m not running, and doing short little runs across streets and through parking lots, concentrating on landing on the balls of my feet. I’m probably taking this more slowly than necessary, but my biggest fear is getting hurt. I’ve only been running since January, but I’m miserable when I have to take time off.

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By: Charla Welch https://runblogger.com/2011/06/going-minimalist-and-changing-form-help.html#comment-222501661 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=456#comment-222501661 I’m definitely not a hardcore runner by any means. I started running in 2009 and had horrible shin splints and ankle sprains. I switched to my “transition” shoes and changed my form in 2010, and haven’t had the shin splints or ankle problems since then. I bought some Merrell Barefoot shoes early 2011 and love them. I’m now training for my first half marathon (in October) and will stick with my minimalist style. My speed is much better (although still slow, but I’m OK with that), and my endurance is constantly growing.

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By: John Robinson https://runblogger.com/2011/06/going-minimalist-and-changing-form-help.html#comment-269912100 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=456#comment-269912100 In reply to Pete Larson.

I finished my first marathon last night in the Kinvaras. I think the best thing I can say about the shoes is that I did not notice the shoes at all. It’s been just over 24 hours since the finish. Some muscle pain and stiffness, but no joint pain at all. Other than a couple of toenails that will soon be departing, the feet are good.

Thanks for this blog, I’d probably have not tried flatter shoes had I not read it. Getting out of my 2150’s has been a big help.

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By: theo7272 https://runblogger.com/2011/06/going-minimalist-and-changing-form-help.html#comment-222546724 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=456#comment-222546724 Jason touches on this a bit on Barefoot Running University.  http://barefootrunninguniversi

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/06/going-minimalist-and-changing-form-help.html#comment-222465088 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=456#comment-222465088 In reply to Mike Medved.

Don’t be alarmed, that’s usually my default response when it comes to
injuries since I’m not a medical doc and it’s hard to say for sure what an
injury might be in a venue like this. I’ve had my share of aches and pains,
but have never required a doctor’s visit. I just try to be smart about
things, and often even find that switching to a shoe with different
properties can allow me to run until the ache heals up. As you said, couold
just be that you’re pushing too hard after a solid race effort. Rest is
important!

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By: Jeff Bradford https://runblogger.com/2011/06/going-minimalist-and-changing-form-help.html#comment-224250952 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=456#comment-224250952 In reply to Mad Dude.

I’m feeling a bit sorry for this guy. Mad Dude needs to chill out. I’m pretty sure he’s just trying to stir the pot and get a rise out of us since his entire comment boils down to an unsupported, name-calling, poop-throwing paragraph. I’m unsure what exactly makes Mad Dude think that Pete wants any media attention for himself. His only desire, in my humble opinion, is to educate others and provide another voice to us minimalist runners who have actually found joy in running with as little as possible on our feet.
Minimalism is here to stay Mad Dude. The status quo in the shoe industry is coming to an end. You can either embrace the increased diversity in shoe choice which others (like Pete) have helped bring to us, or you can continue banging your head against the wall. I hope you’ll choose to do the former rather than the latter. Unfortunately, based on your comment, I think it’ll be the latter.

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By: Nate S. https://runblogger.com/2011/06/going-minimalist-and-changing-form-help.html#comment-222908493 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=456#comment-222908493 In reply to Mad Dude.

Failed?  Mad Dude, you just don’t get it.  I run 100 miles a week now.  That would have been impossible before.  The truth is that I don’t care what you think.  In Ultrarunning there is an expression that we use when somebody asks advice about moving to these kind of diststances.  We say that it is “an experiement of one”.  I, as well as Pete, are simply just sharing our experiences.  When you find something that works and it is 180 degrees different than what tradition has taught us you feel compelled to share it.  Do with it what you will.   The day you compete against me in a 100 mile race and whoop my ass is the day that you gain crediblilty with me. 

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/06/going-minimalist-and-changing-form-help.html#comment-225144147 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=456#comment-225144147 In reply to John Robinson.

John,

Be careful to not force a forefoot strike – your heel should come down and
touch the ground, otherwise you will put lots of strain on the calf and
Achilles.

Pete

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By: Mad Dude https://runblogger.com/2011/06/going-minimalist-and-changing-form-help.html#comment-222470740 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=456#comment-222470740 Sorry but there is a fundamental dishonesty with all the “anecdotal”
evidence on display. You say we can learn from failures? Well exactly how many have you
posted or promoted (without criticism or the elitism that is so common).  The “don’t try this at home” routine is
becoming increasingly unbelievable as you push your beliefs on unsuspecting
runners and products with all the minimal shoe ads that litter your site like a
NASCAR driver. Furthermore your limited history with running is starting to affect
the honesty of your reporting. (Gee in the whole 5 years I’ve been running I’ve
never saw a racing flat for sale so it must be a conspiracy). The claims you
have (rightly) ripped shoe companies are now the same one you make (by proxy
but thinly veiled). If your mission was to gain media attention for yourself,
your website and cause; congrats you’ve achieved it. If it was to have an
honest discussion about running; you’ve failed.

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