Comments on: Foot Strike in Running: How Did Runners in the 1950’s Contact the Ground? https://runblogger.com/2011/06/foot-strike-in-running-how-did-runners.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:55:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.12 By: John Pearson https://runblogger.com/2011/06/foot-strike-in-running-how-did-runners.html#comment-1130819826 Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:55:04 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=449#comment-1130819826 I was a professional sprinter in Northumberland in 1955 and 1956 as a teenager. Now in my late 70s I am having pains in my second toe on my left foot. Could this running have been a possible cause?

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By: James https://runblogger.com/2011/06/foot-strike-in-running-how-did-runners.html#comment-237887747 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=449#comment-237887747 Great article. Speed, cadence, distance, and shoes all make a difference.  The thing that was left out was running surface.  If you look at the first picture in your article you will notice the uneven surface of the track where it has footprints in it.  I run on horse trails with smoother surfaces than that track.  I find it just about impossible to maintain good balance on uneven surfaces when landing on my heels.  Even during long slow runs on horse trails I tend not to land on my heels.  On concrete sidewalks or roads I will land on my heels most of the time unless I am wearing minimal shoes that don’t have cushioned heels and I maintain a high cadence.  Landing of my forefoot allows me to maintain good balance when running on uneven grass through the park or on trails.  I tend to avoid grass or trails when running in high heeled pavement pounders.

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By: Paul Henry https://runblogger.com/2011/06/foot-strike-in-running-how-did-runners.html#comment-242506534 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=449#comment-242506534 Its a really interesting study that gels with my ‘gut feeling’ about my foot strike at various speeds. At a sprint im up on my toes and as the speed reduces the strike moves further and further back along the foot.

Pete whilst i wouldnt suggest that speed is the only or even the primary cause of heel strike in recreational runners i wouldnt rule out that it could be a significant factor.

if you watch the video’s of the elite men and women you will see that during the flight phase their leading leg acting like a pendulum actually extends quite a long way past the vertical, then  the body and knee ‘catch up’ to bring the lower leg closer to the vertical as the footstrike occurs.

Take a recreational runner and the flight phase shortens up considerably, There is not sufficient time for the bodys mass to move far enough foward to bring the lower leg back into the vertical.

I cant help but suspect that the reduced ‘air time’ at the considerably slower speeds that recreational runners run at is playing a part in heel striking. I would imagine that the built up and cushioned heel exasberates and encourages this even more.

Some of us then turn to cadence control and deliberately fore-shortening our front leg swing to try and achieve a vertical lower leg at foot strike in heel raised shoes. so its possible to alter our form to correct it, but thats not necesarily the most obvious or ‘natural’ approach when your trying to eek out every scrap of speed you can.

Unfortunatly we will never be able to know what sort of foot strike a recreational runner from the pre-heel running shoe era used, the evidence just doesnt exist, but in time i fully expect that the growing minimalist runners will be able to supply us with the verifiable evidence we need.

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By: Flroaburn https://runblogger.com/2011/06/foot-strike-in-running-how-did-runners.html#comment-247760703 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=449#comment-247760703 Wow. If Elliot has any verticle motion I can’t see it. He looks like he’s on rollers.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/06/foot-strike-in-running-how-did-runners.html#comment-242509910 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=449#comment-242509910 In reply to Paul Henry.

I won’t deny that speed does have some role, as the literature does
suggest that mid foot/forefoot gets more common in faster runners. It
is a bit of a chicken or egg thing though – are they faster because
they mid foot, or are they mid foot because they are faster. I have
data on marathon runners, and found that speed is not a predictor of
foot strike type, which might be part of my bias here – I’ve focused
on the marathon. Certainly, as you get to shorter races and
dramatically faster speeds, things seem change.

Another wrinkle is that I have seen runners with no flight phase at
all, yet they are clearly not walking. When you film and watch enough
runners, so see all kinds of strange stuff!

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By: Cole Townsend https://runblogger.com/2011/06/foot-strike-in-running-how-did-runners.html#comment-237207146 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=449#comment-237207146 Interesting analysis! I noticed that I tend to strike towards that outer edge of my foot-all my shoes (especially flats for workouts) tend to be worn on the 5th metatarsal.

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By: Dwbrinton https://runblogger.com/2011/06/foot-strike-in-running-how-did-runners.html#comment-244516725 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=449#comment-244516725 Great site, insightful perspective, keep up the good work.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/06/foot-strike-in-running-how-did-runners.html#comment-242364540 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=449#comment-242364540 In reply to Denise Skidmore.

I don’t know. But most of the casual shoes even back then had
constricting toe boxes and raised heels. So, even if they were racing
in very minimal shoes, most of them probably had feet adapted to shoes
similar to casual shoes of today.

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By: Benjamin Wan https://runblogger.com/2011/06/foot-strike-in-running-how-did-runners.html#comment-237463197 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=449#comment-237463197 Fascinating research as always Peter.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/06/foot-strike-in-running-how-did-runners.html#comment-242364070 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=449#comment-242364070 In reply to Andy Streit.

You have to keep in mind that these elites are almost always wearing
racing flats, and recreational runners until recently rarely did.
Shoes are a confounding factor when it comes to associating foot
strike and speed.

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By: Andy Streit https://runblogger.com/2011/06/foot-strike-in-running-how-did-runners.html#comment-237921733 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=449#comment-237921733 “I will point out that I don’t think the reason that modern recreational
runners are overwhelmingly heel strikers is due to their slower speed – I
do think footwear is a big part of it.”

I think this point goes against most of that which precedes and is the weakest statement in an otherwise very insightful and interesting article. The fact that almost all the elite athletes in these videos are running quickly and forefoot/midfoot striking and all the recreational runners running a lot slower are landing further/significantly further back, cannot be ignored.  I think the Tergat video especially supports my belief that form has a lot more to do with landing on the forefoot than the size of the heel and shoe.

But this is just conjecture aswell. A study combining both elites and non-elites in varying levels of shoe and surface running different speeds needs to be made to lend significant weight to those of us that believe running in more minimalist shoes is better.

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By: Cettu https://runblogger.com/2011/06/foot-strike-in-running-how-did-runners.html#comment-237579988 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=449#comment-237579988 In reply to Pete Larson.

Wow, to me he seems to be a slight heel striker in shoes.

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