Comments on: Gait Retraining and the Treatment of Running Injuries https://runblogger.com/2011/02/gait-retraining-and-treatment-of.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Sun, 06 Feb 2011 03:24:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.11 By: Exu-rei https://runblogger.com/2011/02/gait-retraining-and-treatment-of.html#comment-141550080 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=507#comment-141550080 Sorry Pete, I really love your blog and your insights, but your latest posts suggest that you and the other guys who NOW care about a cadence around 180, using a metronome, lifting their feet off the ground and running barefoot or with minimalistic footwear would have invented the wheel. This stuff is out there for more than a decade! Have a look at Hal Higdon, Gordon Pirie, Jack Heggie and have a look at Posetech (which is around since 1997 – also a clever copyist) and all talk about the same stuff for ten years or more! Even in Germany we have sports science articles out in 2008 regarding the disadvantages of modern running shoes. IT IS NOTHING NEW! I find it rather amusing that almost every year emerges another clever copyist, who claims to have invented the one and only running style (or technique). We have our own share of them in Germany as well. It is ok to make money. But it is not ok to deny the sources. This is IMO pathetic.

]]> By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/02/gait-retraining-and-treatment-of.html#comment-142012929 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=507#comment-142012929 In reply to Fitz.

Good points – care and caution should also be foremost in mind when any
change is made.

]]> By: Andrew W. Lischuk https://runblogger.com/2011/02/gait-retraining-and-treatment-of.html#comment-141875465 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=507#comment-141875465 Been working on the cadence for several months now and I must say it is difficult. Shortening my stride at 8min pace feels like shuffling. There must be a difference between the appropriate cadence for a 5 foot 4 inch marathon winner and 6 foot 4inch former small forward. My best attempts so far have yielded 168-170. I’ll check out the link to see if he has any other tips I haven’t tried yet.

]]> By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/02/gait-retraining-and-treatment-of.html#comment-141658894 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=507#comment-141658894 In reply to Chris.

Yes, calf soreness is very common in transition. It usually improves with time, but sometimes can linger if you are really tight in the calf/Achilles tendon. Just be careful and don’t push too hard when sore. Wearing a lifted heel to give it a break during transition can help as well.

Pete

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]]> By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/02/gait-retraining-and-treatment-of.html#comment-155961364 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=507#comment-155961364 In reply to Bry.

Mostly everyone if I understood correctly.

Pete

On Wednesday, February 23, 2011, Disqus

]]> By: Chris https://runblogger.com/2011/02/gait-retraining-and-treatment-of.html#comment-141656107 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=507#comment-141656107 Great post Pete. I recently began to focus on running quieter/softer. This was in on top of the recent addition of barefoot cool-downs after my trail runs. Is it normal to experience more calf soreness than usual when making this transition?

Keep up the good work!

]]> By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/02/gait-retraining-and-treatment-of.html#comment-141693996 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=507#comment-141693996 In reply to Running Moose.

Funny how what feels normal changes, isn’t it! The iPhone metronome app I linked to in the post is free. You could also just count your footfalls for 15 seconds and extrapolate.

Pete

]]> By: Tuck https://runblogger.com/2011/02/gait-retraining-and-treatment-of.html#comment-142053433 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=507#comment-142053433 “I believe this number can be traced back to famed coach Dr. Jack Daniels observation that elite runners tend to run at a stride rate of 180-200 steps/minute.”

It’s older than that.

“All marching movements are executed in the cadence of Quick Time (120 steps per minute), except the 30-inch step, which may be executed in the cadence of 180 steps per minute on the command Double Time, MARCH.”

https://rdl.train.army.mil/sol…

As you no doubt noticed in Munsons’ book, the form he observes for a double-time march is identical to what a modern minimalist runner is attempting, and the rate is the same as well. Munson doesn’t mention 180 ppm in his book, but it was the pace.

]]> By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/02/gait-retraining-and-treatment-of.html#comment-141920320 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=507#comment-141920320 In reply to Sam Winebaum.

I agree – and it may vary a bit from person to person. I was above 180 even
when running at close to a 9:00 pace, and didn’t really see things creep up
until I really increased pace to 6:45 or so. Didn’t sustain that pace for
long since it was icy, but would be interesting to see if it settled back
down after cruising a bit at a faster pace. I found myself between 180-190
for most of the 7:00 to 9:00 pace range.

Pete

]]> By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/02/gait-retraining-and-treatment-of.html#comment-141882432 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=507#comment-141882432 In reply to Andrew W. Lischuk.

I think accounting for body type mat be warranted – what is your baseline starting cadence, and how much higher is the 168-170. A 5% increase from baseline may be enough to see change without going all the way to 180, which is largely an arbitrary number that may not apply to everyone.

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]]> By: Patrick https://runblogger.com/2011/02/gait-retraining-and-treatment-of.html#comment-142004549 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=507#comment-142004549 The only problem with increasing cadence is that it is usually associated with a decrease in economy (Noakes. other sources). Recommending a shorter stride is great for overstriders and the chronically injured, but not for elite performance where stride length and cadence need to be optimized for efficiency.

I like the run soft rule. If you can’t hear your feet pounding, then chances are you are running in a way that will minimize your risk of injury.

]]> By: Jules https://runblogger.com/2011/02/gait-retraining-and-treatment-of.html#comment-141495367 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=507#comment-141495367 Pete,

I just want to thank you for creating/managing this blog. I have club runner friends who are curious about my running gait. I, too, have experimented in the minimalist/natural movement with great results. Often, I cannot find the correct words to describe my experience, but your blog echoes my thoughts.
I’ll be recommending runblogger to anyone willing to change.

-Jules from dailymile

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