Comments on: Interesting Article on Orthotics by Gina Kolata in the New York Times https://runblogger.com/2011/01/interesting-article-on-orthotics-by.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.11 By: FoCoRunner https://runblogger.com/2011/01/interesting-article-on-orthotics-by.html#comment-130265355 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=513#comment-130265355 Ha! Interesting but I think erroneous idea about the origins of the human arch. Biological anthropologists, paleoanthropologists, and comparative anatomists, who specialize in functional anatomy all generally agree that the longitudinal arch is actually an adaptation FOR upright walking and running, providing longitudinal strength/rigidity in the foot that is needed for human style bipedal locomotion. Professor Niggs may be well schooled in human biomechanics, particularly of the foot, but he appears not to have a very good grip on evolutionary context of human locomotion. Or maybe he does, and most of the other specialists are just whack.

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By: Eric Johnson https://runblogger.com/2011/01/interesting-article-on-orthotics-by.html#comment-130586384 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=513#comment-130586384 i asked jay dicharry about orthotics when i was at his lab last week and his opinion is that they are very much overprescribed. i think he said maybe 5% of people with orthotics actually need them…and they are primarily for people who have a forefoot and rearfoot that are out of alignment with each other.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/01/interesting-article-on-orthotics-by.html#comment-130272323 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=513#comment-130272323 In reply to FoCoRunner.

Yep. When I was in grad school, the human biomechanists were at one
end of the hall, and the comparative/evolutionary types were at the
other end (myself included). There was very little interaction between
the two groups at a professional level. Funny that I now teach
Comparative Anatomy, Human A&P, and Human Exercise Physiology.
Personally, I feel that there is great value in being
multidisciplinary.

Pete

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By: KP https://runblogger.com/2011/01/interesting-article-on-orthotics-by.html#comment-130775626 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=513#comment-130775626 If arches are left over from our tree climbing days, why can’t I grip branches with my feet? Do our hands have arches for gripping?

Orthodics seem like a great tool for recovering from an injury but not a permanent solution.

Not to go off topic but this made me think of another article. Pete- did you see this in Runner’s World?

http://peakperformance.runners

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By: Patton Gleason https://runblogger.com/2011/01/interesting-article-on-orthotics-by.html#comment-131144800 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=513#comment-131144800 Pete,

Thanks a ton for posting this. I have spent years in the specialty running industry with around 8000 shoe fittings. We saw a ton of orthotics. As Dr. Nigg alluded to orthotic use for long periods could create muscle weakness and my own anecdotal evidence would support this. And these weak feet would generally be recommended stronger orthotics by well intentioned practitioners.

The other element I noticed was a certain level of emotional dependence on the orthotics. Runners would be so conditioned to think that this device was the only means of them being able to run, regardless of the efficacy. For some, orthotics became a crutch that had huge control over their running experience. It wasn’t until the past two years that I saw people slowly experiment with abandoning them and work on balance, strength and mechanics.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/01/interesting-article-on-orthotics-by.html#comment-130273127 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=513#comment-130273127 In reply to Joe Garland.

The idea would be that by being free from arboreal life, we could do
away with the opposable big toe that chimps have, and develop the arch
that we have and chimps don’t. As Mark says in another comment, the
arch is thought to be an adaptation for bipedal locomotion since it is
not present in chimps. We also have much shorter toes than chimps.

Pete

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/01/interesting-article-on-orthotics-by.html#comment-131014504 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=513#comment-131014504 In reply to KP.

Yes, I did see that article. I have the book that is referenced there and am slowly working through it. Some controversial stuff in it, but an interesting read.

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By: Darrell https://runblogger.com/2011/01/interesting-article-on-orthotics-by.html#comment-130657163 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=513#comment-130657163 What you say makes sense, but until I started using orthotics (currently using off the shelf Spenco inserts) I had chronic back pain which disappeared almost immediately after using orthotics. I’m flat footed, and I still experience some back pain if I’m on my feet for several hours at a time, but it’s very minor compared to what I suffered with when I was younger before I discovered orthotics. I also used to get shin splints from running before using orthotics, now none, although I rarely exceed 30 miles a week. Maybe they are a crutch, but for me, orthotics have been a blessing

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/01/interesting-article-on-orthotics-by.html#comment-131017868 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=513#comment-131017868 In reply to Ghgreyhound10.

Seems like a reasonable approach – glad to hear that it’s working for you.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2011/01/interesting-article-on-orthotics-by.html#comment-131017122 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=513#comment-131017122 In reply to Darrell.

I absolutely believe that orthotics can have a role, and that they can be very helpful in some cases. Just trying to interpret the article, which seems to imply that their efficacy is hit or miss and that other approaches (such as stregnthening work) might be effective as well (and perhaps less costly). Just trying to think this stuff through. Thanks for the feedback!

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By: Joe Garland https://runblogger.com/2011/01/interesting-article-on-orthotics-by.html#comment-130257316 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=513#comment-130257316 Regarding the human foot, one of the ideas postulated in “Catching Fire” is that the ability to make fires, among other things, allowed human ancestors no sleep on the ground, safer from predators, so that their feet no longer needed the dexterity of their ancestors necessary to, say, make a bed in a tree. Don’t know how that effects the evolution of the human vs. the chimp foot, but I think it interesting.

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By: Russell_Hedger https://runblogger.com/2011/01/interesting-article-on-orthotics-by.html#comment-130644389 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=513#comment-130644389 In reply to Eric Johnson.

Not just prescriptions: nearly every shoe incorporates orthotics in the form of a heel raise and arch support, so just about everyone has to use them.

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