Comments on: On Form Change, Minimalist Shoes, Pain-Free Running, and Transition Injuries: Bob C.’s Story https://runblogger.com/2010/12/on-form-change-minimalist-shoes-pain.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.11 By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/12/on-form-change-minimalist-shoes-pain.html#comment-116644355 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=525#comment-116644355 In reply to Ghgreyhound10.

Newton’s could be a good option, but they are relatively thick soled and
expensive, which could be turnoffs for some people. I do very much like the
Distance Racer myself though.

Pete

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By: rugbyref https://runblogger.com/2010/12/on-form-change-minimalist-shoes-pain.html#comment-116513292 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=525#comment-116513292 I think I was able to transition into a minimalist shoe rather easily because I’m a rugby referee and regularly run on grass or turf in soccer shoes. Maybe this would be a good transition shoe/exercise? Do some ‘track’ runs or any workout really on grass in soccer shoes. There is still something under your foot, but its zero drop.

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By: Karl Jarvis https://runblogger.com/2010/12/on-form-change-minimalist-shoes-pain.html#comment-116675860 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=525#comment-116675860 3 years ago I decided to depart from my fancy pants orthotics and transition to minimalist shoes. I also got a stress fracture – for me in the 3rd right met. It was a risk I had to take and I think it was worth it. If I had to redo the transition, though, I would have run barefoot more frequently on hard ground for better feedback on stride. In any case, now I run exclusively in thin shoes that are zeroed out (heel sliced down to no effective lift). It’s way more fun to run minimalist, and that’s what it’s all about!

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/12/on-form-change-minimalist-shoes-pain.html#comment-122252567 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=525#comment-122252567 In reply to Brian S..

Thanks for the comment Brian. A bit of calf tightness is normal and
usually passes with time as you transition. Another resource you might
want to check out is Danny Abshire’s Natural Running book – he does a
nice job going over most aspects of form with a slightly different
approach than Chi. Also do a google search for Good Form Running –
they are working with New Balance on form education.

Pete

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By: Briderdt https://runblogger.com/2010/12/on-form-change-minimalist-shoes-pain.html#comment-116452379 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=525#comment-116452379 Bob… You’re in for a good year, shoe-wise. Altra, GoLite (already on the market), and maybe even the Merrel Barefoot.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/12/on-form-change-minimalist-shoes-pain.html#comment-116649001 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=525#comment-116649001 In reply to Sam Winebaum.

Thanks for the comment Sam – didn’t realize that Meltzer was from NH. The
Hoka’s are an interesting concept, still not sure how I’d feel about them.

Pete

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By: Sergio https://runblogger.com/2010/12/on-form-change-minimalist-shoes-pain.html#comment-117050166 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=525#comment-117050166 Hi, Pete, thanks for bringing this story. Very interesting. I am also new to minimalism running but so far it has worked very well. As I was already in my running lowest point due to plantar fasciitis, it was easy to start slowly. Now, six months later, I think the transition from heel strike to midfoot strike was the best thing that happened to me. My concern is that I read a lot of stories from people having metatarsal fractures and so I wonder if it will hit me someday. I am running now always on hard surfaces and exclusively on flat minimalist shoes. Although I am increasing mileage slowly, I already had pain in my feet and calf, which are now gone. What I am doing to prevent major problems is cross-training (spinning twice a week) and now muscle strengthening (trying to do it also twice a week). I also limited my running to 3 times a week. If that is enough I will probably find out only in the mid-long term. By the way, I also found difficult to find a good shoe to run since my original one is close to an end, also because not all the models come here to Brazil.
Best regards,
Sergio

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By: Bpearce1 https://runblogger.com/2010/12/on-form-change-minimalist-shoes-pain.html#comment-117191239 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=525#comment-117191239 I came back to running this year after nearly 15 years off (once a week jogs — I had gotten to the point that I couldn’t run a half-hour without including a walk break). I had a closet full of stability shoes, Asics Gel-Kayanos and others, with virtually no wear on them, based on the recommendations of running specialty store employees, magazines and internet guidance (I’m a Clydesdale with fairly flat feet and Morton’s toe).

I bought a pair of Adidas stability shoes, and immediately noticed how I felt pain in the middle of my shin bones. Not shin splints, pain in a particular location where I had gotten stress fractures before.

Frustrated, I finally decided to try neutral shoes earlier this year. Lacing them up, I was astounded to find that, notwithstanding my size, low arch, etc., I could run without pain in neutral shoes. Sure, I had aches and pains, including calf cramps, but nothing that kept me from running more than a week.

My fitness improved, and finally my pace. I read with great interest about the Saucony ProGrid Kinvara, and ultimately bought a pair. I’ve run a 10 mile race and a 1/2 marathon in them, and have had absolutely no problems. At the same time, I shaved nearly 4 minutes off my 5k time.

Are minimalist shoes “silver bullets” for all runners? Probably not. But do they work? For me, the answer is an unequivocal yes.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/12/on-form-change-minimalist-shoes-pain.html#comment-117856332 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=525#comment-117856332 In reply to Eric Johnson.

Thanks for the comment Eric. I also find the Kilkenny to be firmer than
other XC flats (e.g., the Brooks Mach series). I recall having some forefoot
pain when wearing mine, but I have largely shelved them due to fit issues.

I’m curious, as someone who manages a running store, do you find that the
minimalist concept is widely accepted at specialty stores, or is it hit or
miss? I usually advise people to go to specialty stores due to better
selection and better, more knowledgeable service than at a big box sporting
goods store. How would you advise people to bring up the subject at a store,
considering that some may still be resistant to the idea?

Pete

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By: Fitz https://runblogger.com/2010/12/on-form-change-minimalist-shoes-pain.html#comment-116599119 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=525#comment-116599119 Thanks for your take Bob! I find myself in the same boat – struggling to find the perfect shoe to fit my personal needs and my quest to strengthen my feet/lower legs and make my stride more efficient with minimalist shoes. I think it’s a balancing act. That’s why I’m such a huge proponent of varying your shoes so you can get the benefits of minimalism without overdoing it.

Pete has written before that he believes one of the reasons he hasn’t had a major injury in a long time is that he’s constantly rotating his shoes. Different shoes give your legs something different to adapt to and stress them in slightly different ways.

I’m glad you’re finding what works for you! Cheers, – Fitz.

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By: Briderdt https://runblogger.com/2010/12/on-form-change-minimalist-shoes-pain.html#comment-117000814 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=525#comment-117000814 In reply to Pete Larson.

I tried on the Hoka’s the same time I did the Kinvara’s (which I bought – obviously my opinion of them was much better). For me… the thick and soft midsole took away any kind of ground feel, and I felt VERY ustable in them (all that midsole sqishing around). Yes, the forefoot is very stiff, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing to me, as I’ve had issues with Frieberg’s Infraction. But… the extreme rocker plus the soft midsole made it feel like the ground was falling away from me with every stride. And basically they look like moon boots cut off at the ankle.

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By: Bob S. https://runblogger.com/2010/12/on-form-change-minimalist-shoes-pain.html#comment-116999539 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=525#comment-116999539 Tried to post on Bob’s blog, but had some trouble. You might want to steer him toward the new Go-Lites, which are zero drop, but cushioned (though they ARE for trail running, and apparently a bit on the heavy side). They supposedly also reverse the typical sole model by having the firmer sole closer to your foot, and the softer part closer to the road. Also, Altra has well-cushioned, zero drop shoes on their way as well.

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