Comments on: Manchester City Marathon 2010 Race Report https://runblogger.com/2010/11/manchester-city-marathon-2010-race.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Tue, 03 Jun 2014 02:42:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.11 By: Fall Season Comes to a Close and Starting Fresh – Fitz’s Training Journal November, 2010 https://runblogger.com/2010/11/manchester-city-marathon-2010-race.html#comment-1129672348 Tue, 03 Jun 2014 02:42:08 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=543#comment-1129672348 […] seeing so many other runners complete marathons, like Greg, Pete, and Dave, I’m excited about the distance again and to test myself. I have only run one […]

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/11/manchester-city-marathon-2010-race.html#comment-96258833 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=543#comment-96258833 In reply to Sergio.

Don’t get me wrong, I think running a good form marathon can be done, it
just depends on how well you have trained and how hard you push during the
race. When I have hit the wall, my form is shot completely, and I fear even
thinking about how I looked! The marathon is always a learning experience,
no matter how many you have run.

Pete

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By: Sergio https://runblogger.com/2010/11/manchester-city-marathon-2010-race.html#comment-96218659 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=543#comment-96218659 In reply to Pete Larson.

OK, Pete, thanks. Understand your point. What I am getting is that makes sense to use the minimal shoe on a particular race IF I am comfortable enough with distance and planned pace that makes me sure I will not land on my heels anytime during the full race. Otherwise, maybe it is more prudent to use a protective shoe. Anyway, fully agree with you that it is a good idea to practice using different shoes and pavements. It allows you the flexibility to change the approach depending on the race and also reduces the risk of stress related injuries.

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By: Sergio https://runblogger.com/2010/11/manchester-city-marathon-2010-race.html#comment-96159020 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=543#comment-96159020 Hi, Pete. Excellent post as usual! Let me ask you few questions. First, you say you think a marathon deserves a more “forgiving shoe”. Therefore, I understand you are not considering running a marathon in a more minimalist shoe ever, or, at least, in the short-mid term. Is it correct? I ask this because, you know, I am more or less where you were some time ago, increasing my training distance on a weekly basis and I am using a very minimal shoe with great results (plantar fasciitis disappeared and so on). I am preparing for a half marathon and then plan to run a marathon. So you think that maybe a good approach is to use a minimalist shoe when training to strength your legs and improve running form and then use a more “forgiving” shoe at the day of the race? Is that your plan going forward?
Best regards,
Sergio (from Brazil)

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/11/manchester-city-marathon-2010-race.html#comment-96166956 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=543#comment-96166956 In reply to Javier.

I have been using the strategy of sipping from my watered down gel
flask every mile or two from the start for each of the past two
marathons and it has worked well. I think perhaps a bigger issue that
I did use at Disney is to be done eating breakfast about 2 hours
before the race, and then to have nothing until just before the race
begins. I have kept this approach up. It’s so hard to know what is
right and wrong when it comes to fueling, but the fact that I haven’t
hit the wall recently has me encouraged.

Pete

On Thursday, November 11, 2010, Disqus

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By: Sergio https://runblogger.com/2010/11/manchester-city-marathon-2010-race.html#comment-96257595 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=543#comment-96257595 In reply to Pete Larson.

Ok, understood. I was probably being naive by thinking that it is possible for an amateur to run a full marathon in a perfect form. That is the lack of experience. Your approach seems more reasonable. Thanks again.
Sergio (Brazil)

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By: AshwynGray https://runblogger.com/2010/11/manchester-city-marathon-2010-race.html#comment-96591699 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=543#comment-96591699 That elevation profile is awesome! Well done, Pete! I had no doubt that you’d run a great race. And, I’m glad you had the opportunity to experiment with your footwear. I was excited about your rather daring attempt to wear the A4 after having only run in it a couple of times before. Glad you didn’t sustain any horrible injuries.
Oh, and be sure to post that finish line picture if you feel so inclined. It sounds like it’ll be a good one!

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By: Mark U. https://runblogger.com/2010/11/manchester-city-marathon-2010-race.html#comment-96215386 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=543#comment-96215386 Congratulations on another great marathon! I’m impressed that you managed to hold so constant a pace despite significant elevation grade changes throughout the event. I suppose that assisting a marathon pace group leader that you’re required to do so throughout, versus speeding-up somewhat on the downhills and slowing down a bit on the uphills? My only other hilly paced marathon was in Austin, TX, and similar to your strategy the pace leaders maintained a very constant pace (which I found more natural to depart from a bit via running ahead of them on the downhills, but falling back on the uphills). It’s also great that you’ve now got your fueling and pre-race nutrition figured out.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/11/manchester-city-marathon-2010-race.html#comment-96168056 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=543#comment-96168056 In reply to Sergio.

Sergio – it’s hard and this question probably deserves it’s own post.
I guess all I can say is that on the day I ran Manchester, I think
more shoe would have been warranted. Had I been training regularly in
the A4’s, and had this been my only marathon this Fall, perhaps things
would be different. I just know that given my level of fatigue, the
Kinvara would have been a better choice. Still a relatively minimal
shoe, but it has a good deal more cushion than the A4. I’d tell you
that if you are training regularly in a very minimal shoe and it’s
working for you, stick with it, particularly if you are wearing it
with success on your long runs. At least for my body, I seem to do
better when I mix things up, but we are all different and have to find
our own formula.

Pete

On Thursday, November 11, 2010, Disqus

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By: Javier https://runblogger.com/2010/11/manchester-city-marathon-2010-race.html#comment-96123260 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=543#comment-96123260 Great report Pete! Congratulations!

I heard in your Disney Marathon Podcast that you delayed gel consumption after mile 8. Do you advise this? I am running RnR SA on Sunday and need a gel cumsumption strategy.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/11/manchester-city-marathon-2010-race.html#comment-96218237 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=543#comment-96218237 In reply to Mark U..

Mark,

We did speed up on the downs and slow on the ups, but the hills were so
frequent that it evened out the pace overall I think. The lead pacer was
following a steady effort rather than steady pace plan.

Pete

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By: Dan Caouette https://runblogger.com/2010/11/manchester-city-marathon-2010-race.html#comment-96153233 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=543#comment-96153233 Thanks for the report! I’ve been looking forward to it all week. Good work, Pacer Pete.

One of these days I need to run Manchester. Going to be tough fitting it in: it’s only a week after the Conway 1/2! ;)

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