Comments on: The Variable Running Footstrike: Pictures of Heel, Midfoot, and Forefoot Strikes https://runblogger.com/2010/10/variable-running-footstrike-pictures-of.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:44:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.11 By: Sergio https://runblogger.com/2010/10/variable-running-footstrike-pictures-of.html#comment-89867015 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=548#comment-89867015 Amazing the amount of variety in the human body. I am thinking of also recording my foot strike pattern to see where it stands. I am almost sure I am now a mid-foot striker, but the images may somehow show something different. From the pictures, I agree with Paul that heel strike with VFF may not be a good idea, although I know from a previous post that you know someone who does that. If you have recorded most of the runners, have you collected any statistics? I would really appreciate to know how many people are mid or forefoot strikers, although, at this point, I assume most of the people are (still) heel strikers. It would be interesting to check how it evolves as time goes on. I am looking forward for your following posts on the subject.
Regards,
Sergio
Brazil

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By: Jim Hansen https://runblogger.com/2010/10/variable-running-footstrike-pictures-of.html#comment-89955343 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=548#comment-89955343 In reply to Pete Larson.

Yes, I did it one week after doing the Cape Marathon and was experimenting (probably foolishly) with shoe inserts. I am sure my foot was doing more than the funky things it usually does without inserts. I finished in 3:29:22. Here is my report on running with the inserts last year: http://recoveryourstride.blogs
Jim

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By: Robert Osfield https://runblogger.com/2010/10/variable-running-footstrike-pictures-of.html#comment-90727464 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=548#comment-90727464 In reply to Paul.

While the VFF runner is landing with very straight leg and heel striking of all the runners he is landing with his foot the closest to his center of gravity. *All* runners have to land with their foot in front of their center of gravity, when running at a steady state, as you’d fall flat on your face otherwise. That’s why all of the photo’s here and anywhere else you’ll find the landing with foot in front of the center of gravity.

The idea of landing in front of center of gravity being poor form is very wrong, you can’t have a running form that is physically impossible being good running form, and all the physically possible forms being bad. Yes Chii Running, Good Form Running etc. are teaching something that can’t happen in the real world.

In the case of VFF runner, he’s landing close to center of mass, and he’s trailing leg is only a small angle behind indicating to me that of all the runners in the shots he’s probably running with a shortest stride and slowly at the point of the photo. I’d guess he’s jogging here, while most of the photo’s here the legs are far more open indicating that they are running with longer stride and at a faster rate.

Pete’s has added that the VFF runner shortly afterwards suffered from his quads locking up, so it might well be likely that he was slowing and changing to more of shuffle gait to avoid bending his knees as an attempt to less the load on fatigued quads. It would be interesting to look at photo’s of the runner prior to fatigue settings in.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/10/variable-running-footstrike-pictures-of.html#comment-90179637 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=548#comment-90179637 In reply to Sergio.

I have a lot of statistics on this, but am working on getting them
published in a scientific journal before posting anything here – stay
tuned!

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/10/variable-running-footstrike-pictures-of.html#comment-90181177 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=548#comment-90181177 In reply to Kristen.

I have all of that data actually – both for left/right asymmetry and
patterns at mile 6 vs. mile 20 for individual runners. Trying to get
it published first, then more will come out here on the blog.

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By: Fitz https://runblogger.com/2010/10/variable-running-footstrike-pictures-of.html#comment-89913664 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=548#comment-89913664 Really interesting Pete. Another fascinating area to study is the degree to which a runner lands on the lateral side of the foot. The 18th photo above really captures this and shows that some runners do land on the extreme outside edge of the foot. How does this affect impact forces? Efficiency? Injury potential?

Also, look at the VFF runner landing on his heel! Amazing how that’s even possible on pavement.

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By: Jackie Dove https://runblogger.com/2010/10/variable-running-footstrike-pictures-of.html#comment-89983302 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=548#comment-89983302 Once again this is an amazing post. The knee extension and heel strike of the runner in VFF is surprising!

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By: Mark U. https://runblogger.com/2010/10/variable-running-footstrike-pictures-of.html#comment-89886025 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=548#comment-89886025 In reply to Paul.

Good catch, Paul! In my initial glance at the photos I hadn’t noticed that one of the most severe heel strike and leg lock was definitely the VFF runner. Worse yet, is that he’s doing that on a very hard surface. Won’t be long before he either fractures his calcaneus or he changes his footstrike pattern.

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By: bjmaack https://runblogger.com/2010/10/variable-running-footstrike-pictures-of.html#comment-89954889 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=548#comment-89954889 Great post. Most of the running injury problems I get to participate with & help heal can be traced back to (my own anecdotal evidence) extreme heel strike. We use video analysis like this to help them correct form.

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By: Paul https://runblogger.com/2010/10/variable-running-footstrike-pictures-of.html#comment-89835594 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=548#comment-89835594 The VFF runner has the most horrifying foot strike of the lot! He’s landing ahead of his Centre of Gravity, his leg is almost locked out AND he’s heel striking. In VFFs!!! That won’t be doing him any good at all.

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By: Jim Hansen https://runblogger.com/2010/10/variable-running-footstrike-pictures-of.html#comment-89830995 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=548#comment-89830995 Is this at the Manchester Marathon? Did you get video of all the runners?

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/10/variable-running-footstrike-pictures-of.html#comment-90729050 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=548#comment-90729050 In reply to Robert Osfield.

Excellent points Robert – I’ll see if I can put up a “before” picture of the
VFF runner.

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