Comments on: Fall and Spring Marathon Plans: What to Do About the Shoe? https://runblogger.com/2010/09/fall-and-spring-marathon-plans-what-to.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:00:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.11 By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/09/fall-and-spring-marathon-plans-what-to.html#comment-73957384 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=576#comment-73957384 In reply to Climbhoser.

I agree with you. It’s just that running 26.2 at a relatively fast
clip is very taxing on the body, and I don’t think i have have the
muscular strength in the right spots at this point in my transition to
manage good minimalist form for the duration.

Pete

On Wednesday, September 1, 2010, Disqus

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By: sunden https://runblogger.com/2010/09/fall-and-spring-marathon-plans-what-to.html#comment-73988378 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=576#comment-73988378 I’m running Long Beach in October, Surf City in February and LA in March and plan on wearing the Green Silence for all of them. Either that or the Saucony Fastwitch. I’d love to run a marathon in even less shoe, but, like you, don’t think I’m ready yet.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/09/fall-and-spring-marathon-plans-what-to.html#comment-74032928 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=576#comment-74032928 In reply to aaron b.

Aaron,

You hit the nail on the head about the Kinvara – my only hesitation as well
is the sponginess and how it might cost energy. I may be leaning to the Nike
Free Run since it’s a bit firmer.

Pete

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/09/fall-and-spring-marathon-plans-what-to.html#comment-75220279 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=576#comment-75220279 In reply to Kevin D.

Kevin,

It’s a tough one to measure accurately since the upper is one unit (no slots
on the sides of the tongue to access the forefoot. My best attempt puts it
around 6-7mm. Less than the Free 5.0, a bit more than the 3.0.

Pete

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/09/fall-and-spring-marathon-plans-what-to.html#comment-74053214 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=576#comment-74053214 In reply to Mark U..

Mark,

Thanks – I’m really looking forward to doing the Ultra, should be fun.
I am likely leaning toward the Nike’s at this point, but still have a
few more long runs to help me decide.

Pete

On Wednesday, September 1, 2010, Disqus

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By: Climbhoser https://runblogger.com/2010/09/fall-and-spring-marathon-plans-what-to.html#comment-73870183 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=576#comment-73870183 Pete,

From reading your blog over the months I have come to understand that you don’t run un-shod as much as just minimalist. One of the things I like about running completely bare is that once it “clicks” form really can’t break down. I used to think it did, but as I progressed it dawned on me that I will stop from exhaustion before my form breaks down. When I’m not wearing shoes it almost seems as if there is simply no other way to generate locomotion that with proper form!

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/09/fall-and-spring-marathon-plans-what-to.html#comment-74650475 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=576#comment-74650475 In reply to Dash.

Yes, the GS is a bit firmer. I may also add the Mizuno Wave Universe to my
list of possibles. Hard to turn down a return trip to VT!

Pete

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By: Mark U. https://runblogger.com/2010/09/fall-and-spring-marathon-plans-what-to.html#comment-73989484 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=576#comment-73989484 Pete – Looks like you’ve got some great running plans well into next year! Good for you, since I agree that your likelihood this Fall for setting a BQ time despite your infant-induced low mileage is indeed fairly low. So, having Vermont as a reasonable objective next Spring makes a lot of sense (and I’m sure you’ll indeed have a blast with your first Ultra; they’re in many ways far more enjoyable than the more performance-focused marathon and shorter events).

With regards you shoe choice, I agree that you need to have a heel to allow for late-race fatigue-induced heel striking. I think either the Nike Free Run+ or the Kinvara’s would work for you (though, as I’ve only minimally run in the store in the Kinvara’s – which I did like though not as much as the Newton’s I bought – vs. more than 200 solid miles in the Nike’s I’d lean that way FWIW).

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By: Kevin D https://runblogger.com/2010/09/fall-and-spring-marathon-plans-what-to.html#comment-75177328 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=576#comment-75177328 I have a quick question about the Nike Free Runs. I know you have a big review coming up but I just want to know what the heel-toe drop is on these shoes. Thanks great Blog and good luck with t he runs.

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By: Joseph https://runblogger.com/2010/09/fall-and-spring-marathon-plans-what-to.html#comment-73955697 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=576#comment-73955697 Good luck whatever your shoe decision is. I ran a half in May wearing Brooks Green Silence, and was happy with how it went. I’m considerably less-well-trained than you, and I’m assuming quite a bit heavier, so I was concerned about form breakdown as you are. However, I’ve never been a heel-striker, so that may have helped.

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By: aaron b https://runblogger.com/2010/09/fall-and-spring-marathon-plans-what-to.html#comment-74003858 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=576#comment-74003858 In reply to Pete Larson.

It definitely does. I look forward to hearing how your race goes and I may even tweak my strategy based on your experience!

Yeah, just to clarify, it’s really the cushiness of the Kinavra that gives me pause when choosing my shoe for the marathon. Although I really like the 4 mm heel-to-toe drop and what it does for my footstrike, I do wish they where a little firmer. Though I don’t have evidence of this, I feel they offer me less energy return than, say, my DS’s, and that the squishiness ends up being a bit dampening. I worry some that over 26.2 that may cost me some energy and lead to greater fatigue. That said, they are lighter than my other shoes, which presumably will save me some energy, so maybe it’s a wash.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2010/09/fall-and-spring-marathon-plans-what-to.html#comment-74650269 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=576#comment-74650269 In reply to Dan (Milan, NH).

Dan,

I have a 6 and 4 yo in addition to the baby, so I know what you mean! It’s
amazing how fast they grow.

Vermont is an awesome race, and a great place to bring the family if you
haven’t been. There’s a children’s museum right on Lake Champlain near the
finish line, and some great places to visit nearby. My kids love chasing the
chickens at Shelburne Farms.

Pete

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