Comments on: The Pronation Control Paradigm is Starting to Crumble: Review of a Study in the British Journal of Sports Medicine https://runblogger.com/2010/07/pronation-control-paradgim-is-starting.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:43:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.12 By: Roadrunner https://runblogger.com/2010/07/pronation-control-paradgim-is-starting.html#comment-1130367779 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:43:14 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=600#comment-1130367779 In reply to Runners: Kings of the Hypochondriacs The Motivated Runner.

“Motion control shoes have actually been shown to cause injuries as opposed to preventing them.”

Pure pseudo-science. Every kind of shoe can and has been blamed for injuring/curing runners.

What I don’t understand is the desire of fashion-twats who love minimal shoes, to interfere in the motion-control market. If wearing only socks suits you, do it. But why make a noise about shoes that you don’t buy or wear? Leave that to those of us who have had success with support/MC shoes.

I don’t try and tell you not to wear ridiculous little fashion slippers – so don’t tell me not to wear heavy, supportive ‘foot-coffins’.

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By: Mythbusters du running: système anti-pronation et supination https://runblogger.com/2010/07/pronation-control-paradgim-is-starting.html#comment-1130354815 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 07:36:29 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=600#comment-1130354815 […] RunBlogger: The Pronation Control Paradigm is Starting to Crumble: Review of a Study in the British Journal of Sports Medicine,22nd July 2010 https://runblogger.com/2010/07/pronation-control-paradgim-is-starting.html […]

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By: Roadrunner https://runblogger.com/2010/07/pronation-control-paradgim-is-starting.html#comment-1130274986 Mon, 03 Aug 2015 19:04:43 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=600#comment-1130274986 So, how does this all stack-up now 5 years on? With ‘minimal’ shoe sales at an all time low (4% of the market) and dropping?

There are thousands of people out there, for whom this fad didn’t work; who have injuries; who have missed training because of it.

They are far less vocal than the bare footers (it is not possible to be MORE vocal than them!), possibly because people talk less about failures than successes.

The truth is, the barefoot/minimal movement is exactly the same as the support shoe camp – a group of people with an agenda, shoes or books to sell and a desire to get noticed.

In all of this, the sportswear companies, first telling you to get cushioned, then telling you to go minimal, now saying that you should go maximal.

If you believe the above nonsense more than the noise from the other camp, you have a screw loose – every study I’ve seen has pseudo-science at it’s base, and interested parties in its funding.

Wear what is comfortable and works for you – ignore the mouthy bandwagon-jumpers of all creeds.

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By: Terry Trumbo https://runblogger.com/2010/07/pronation-control-paradgim-is-starting.html#comment-1130191740 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 19:43:38 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=600#comment-1130191740 In reply to Really Cool Stuff.

I have to disagree here. By going to the running store they have stopped my jnjuries. Now I have very no or very little pain once I was fitted for right show with my step. I have talked to other people who have said the same thing. So it not always the case of being fitted causes onjuries.

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By: Jethro https://runblogger.com/2010/07/pronation-control-paradgim-is-starting.html#comment-1130189747 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 00:04:03 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=600#comment-1130189747 In reply to Terry Trumbo.

I agree completely. I was originally fitted with Brooks Adrenaline GTS stability shoes by one of the ‘road running’ stores, and they worked well while I was doing Couch to 5K, but once my running distance increased to around 5 miles, their limitations became obvious as I quickly developed an injury (posterior tibial tendinitis). Two weeks of ice, elevation, and rest healed things; but I had to move up to full motion control Brooks Beasts. Now I can do up to a half marathon without injury — sure things get sore after about 9 miles, but I don’t consider it to be an injury. In this case, it was either let the daggers jabbing my arches stop me from running completely, or wear a motion control shoe.

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By: Terry Trumbo https://runblogger.com/2010/07/pronation-control-paradgim-is-starting.html#comment-1130179126 Sun, 29 Mar 2015 22:39:21 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=600#comment-1130179126 I have high a high arch and severe over pronator. I use to wear shows out in 2 months from my feet rolling inward so bad. Plus severe knee pain. I have switch to Brooks running shoes for motion control and have lost the pain in the knees and the shoes last several months now. The correct shoe does make the difference.

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By: Tim https://runblogger.com/2010/07/pronation-control-paradgim-is-starting.html#comment-1130157608 Tue, 10 Mar 2015 01:26:21 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=600#comment-1130157608 In reply to Pete Larson.

I understand this post is old and mentalities change –
Running shoes are simply supposed to aid in the running process. They are not the end all be all in alleviating running injuries. Considering that the body is a kinetic chain the entire must be well maintained in order for it operate effectively. Some people need more support, some people need less – given the strength of the rest of the kinetic chain. Shoes are important – everyone pronates to a degree and the goal is to help make running efficient and smooth with the right footwear.
Ive only been fitting running shoes for 8+ years… I know that’s a fraction of time in relation to some people.

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By: Really Cool Stuff https://runblogger.com/2010/07/pronation-control-paradgim-is-starting.html#comment-1130092515 Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:59:46 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=600#comment-1130092515 […] **If you are a runner, you NEED to read this carefully. Running shoes are about making money and if you buy them from someone who “tests” your feet, they are almost guaranteed to cause injuries. […]

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By: Runners: Kings of the Hypochondriacs The Motivated Runner https://runblogger.com/2010/07/pronation-control-paradgim-is-starting.html#comment-1129523444 Thu, 27 Feb 2014 06:35:45 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=600#comment-1129523444 […] injuries. This couldn’t be further from the truth (and luckily I never picked up a pair). Motion control shoes have actually been shown to cause injuries as opposed to preventing them. However, this doesn’t stop people from buying them and running stores from recommending […]

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By: Triplet3sandra https://runblogger.com/2010/07/pronation-control-paradgim-is-starting.html#comment-331154441 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=600#comment-331154441 In reply to Pete Larson.

Minimalist shoes are becoming more popular, and the Vibrams are among the favorites. Since the local commander can determine whether or not the five-finger shoes are allowed, their wear is not widespread.  I am putting together an exercise sheet with recommendations for our soldiers, in celebration of National Physical Therapy Month, as the transition to minimalist shoes requires a different demand on the body than tradional shoes. I have found that the new line of minimalist shoes without toes (toe shoes are not allowed on the Physical Fitness test) are growing in popularity, as word spreads about the reduction in shin, knee, ankle, and foot pain.  If anyone finds any other studies out there that support the wearing of minimalist shoes, I would love to see it.  If I find others who are DOING the studies, I will post as well. Thanks again!

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By: Triplet3sandra https://runblogger.com/2010/07/pronation-control-paradgim-is-starting.html#comment-330898958 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=600#comment-330898958 As a physical therapist serving US Army soldiers, I am fascinated by the latest information coming out about what NOT to recommend for our soldiers.  I am becoming a huge fan of the minimalist shoe, and am beginning to find that the soldiers that I serve, are discovering the JOY and the reduced pain from running in minimalist shoes,even those with severe pronation! More studies!  We need more studies! :) Thanks for sharing

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By: Denny https://runblogger.com/2010/07/pronation-control-paradgim-is-starting.html#comment-63706385 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=600#comment-63706385 I think one of the things worth noting is that while there may be work in the background to phase these types of shoes out, the overall perception by the general public is one of “well, I’ve always needed to wear support shoes – that’s what I’ve always been told”.

Even if the shoe companies start to slim down the number of pronation control options, they’re still going to make the shoes – because realistically, they’re a business, and while many people will try minimal shoes, many others will refuse the idea. All it takes is one MBA to shoot down the push from a whole team of biomechanics folks.

…which is why great posts like this are even more important. Fantastic stuff Pete.

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