Comments on: Vibram Fivefingers and Barefoot Running: Does Removing Heel Cushion Change Footstrike? https://runblogger.com/2009/12/vibram-fivefingers-and-barefoot-running.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.11 By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/12/vibram-fivefingers-and-barefoot-running.html#comment-25702148 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=770#comment-25702148 In reply to dnorton.

Daniel – I’m wondering if there is also a difference between where we land relative to center of gravity on a treadmill vs. overground. Interesting thought. The biggest challenge with filming overground running is getting a natural stride, which is why race filming works well. We should have the ability to measure footplant position relative to center of gravity.

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By: MattT https://runblogger.com/2009/12/vibram-fivefingers-and-barefoot-running.html#comment-63102212 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=770#comment-63102212 Notice that in the Asics there’s a lot of shock and energy going up Ryan’s leg. You can see the force. However, when you look at him running in the VFFs and barefoot – it is much smoother. There’s not near as much shock going up the the leg!

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By: Barefoot Benny https://runblogger.com/2009/12/vibram-fivefingers-and-barefoot-running.html#comment-27472914 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=770#comment-27472914 Great post! The slow-mo videos are of excellent quality, but why not try moving the camera back a little bit so we can see the bend, or lack thereof, of the knee. When barefoot running, most the shock of the ground impact is absorbed by the ankles, calves, and knees, but when we run shod and heel strike, the impact is mainly taken by the knees and hips.

Another good slo-mo video could be taken even further back, focusing on posture as you run. I tend to be more erect and have better posture when I run in my VFF’s, but seem to have a bend at the waist leading to lower back ache when I run in chunky sneakers.

I look forward to seeing what else you come up with, and hope that future videos can be shot outside where the shock absorbers on the treadmill don’t influence the impact and stride.

Keep up the great research!

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/12/vibram-fivefingers-and-barefoot-running.html#comment-26254611 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=770#comment-26254611 In reply to barefootmike.

Mike,

Lower calf pain is almost universally experienced by anyone transitioning to
barefoot or Vibram running – it will go away in a few days as the muscles
repair and in most cases will not be a problem again. It hit me initially,
and I haven’t felt it since. The key with barefooting is to build very
slowly, and give your legs/feet time to adapt to the new stresses being
placed on them – don’t do too much too soon or you risk an injury. Also,
don’t force a forefoot strike, just let your barefoot stride work its way in
naturally – concentrate on relaxing and you’ll likely adapt naturally quite
quickly. The more you try to force things, the more likely you’ll do some
damage. I’m definitely not an expert on barefoot running, but this is what
I have learned from running in Vibrams so far.

Pete

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By: tomas10 https://runblogger.com/2009/12/vibram-fivefingers-and-barefoot-running.html#comment-29701406 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=770#comment-29701406 You may be overextending your stride. The foot should strike underneath the torso.

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By: Ernesto https://runblogger.com/2009/12/vibram-fivefingers-and-barefoot-running.html#comment-25558047 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=770#comment-25558047 Anytime, Pete! I’ve been doing a bit of barefooting here at home on the treadmill… When’s you’re next race, btw? I’m doing the Hampton Half in February, then Boston in April…

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By: Tuck https://runblogger.com/2009/12/vibram-fivefingers-and-barefoot-running.html#comment-27204906 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=770#comment-27204906 Really nice work. Thanks for posting this.

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By: Jeremy https://runblogger.com/2009/12/vibram-fivefingers-and-barefoot-running.html#comment-45215786 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=770#comment-45215786 Love the information. It is amazing how it just speaks for itself. They say a picture is worth a thousand words. As soon as you tape someone and play it back it can be drastic on how much running natural can strengthen us and improve our posture and form. Thank you for advocating the revolution!

http://alterarunning.com

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By: Swollen Feet Shoes https://runblogger.com/2009/12/vibram-fivefingers-and-barefoot-running.html#comment-63704363 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=770#comment-63704363 That’s very interesting. I have been running once or twice a week in my FiveFingers, and the rest of the time with shoes. I thought that some of the technique that is gained by running barefoot would be transferred to running with shoes, but I should probably evaluate that more carefully now.

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By: Djalma Ribeiro https://runblogger.com/2009/12/vibram-fivefingers-and-barefoot-running.html#comment-188324921 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=770#comment-188324921 The step should be shorter when using the VFF!

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/12/vibram-fivefingers-and-barefoot-running.html#comment-25866042 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=770#comment-25866042 In reply to jnowings.

Justin,

I’m pretty much in complete agreement with you about the heel. If clearance
between the foot and the ground is small, a big heel will clip the ground
and force a heel-strike. What I find most interesting is that in a really
hard heel-striker, the front end of the foot comes down really fast after
the heel catches, and you can actually see reverberations through the
forefoot from the impact. Gives a really good feel for the shock involved –
I’ll have to see if I have a good video of it.

Pete

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/12/vibram-fivefingers-and-barefoot-running.html#comment-25551933 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=770#comment-25551933 In reply to Ernesto.

I’m not sure, but my suspicion is that at least in me, the gait is similar,
but the heel catches the ground in the Adrenalines and causes the
heel-strike. In Ryan, the difference is more pronounced, and it almost
looks like a biomechanically different gait to me. I will have the ability
to look at all of the joints as you suggest, but starting small for now. We
should get you up to the lab sometime for a shod/barefoot trial run!

Pete

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