Comments on: Race Report: 2009 Hartford Marathon https://runblogger.com/2009/10/race-report-2009-hartford-marathon.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:32:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.11 By: KevinPatrickCoyle https://runblogger.com/2009/10/race-report-2009-hartford-marathon.html#comment-20200976 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=798#comment-20200976 Lots to say Peter.. First, great job on a PR and completing another marathon. I believe you can PR at Manchester. You are very similar to me. I ran Boston this year 3:38.43, NJ two weeks later 3:26.13 and Wineglass the week before your Hartford 3:08.47. I knew I had the ability to BQ because of the Jack Daniels Running Formula Guide which predicts many popular race distances to other distance finishing times. My 1:32.50 Half Marathon 9/26/09 Preidcted i would run a 3:10 marathon, and I ran a 3:08! Also, by looking at your DM posts, you have the ability. Be confident in that. The rest of it is all mental… I ran Wineglass knowing I had the ability but it was up to me to Focus from Start to Finish.

I have the Forerunner 305 and have the same issue but have seen the avg pace/pace react and can conclude that the distance you ran 26.6 is accurate. (I ran 26.42 in my first two and their were no buildings).

My plan for Manchester will me similar to Wineglass. Hold a 7:00avg through the half, and then keep it down, trying to not rise above a 7:20. The goal will be to PR but we’ll see with the hills. Lets run together!

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/10/race-report-2009-hartford-marathon.html#comment-20279075 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=798#comment-20279075 In reply to KevinPatrickCoyle.

We’ll have to meet up in Manchester before the race – lets stay in touch as it gets closer and maybe we can find a time/place in Veterans Park near the start to meet. There are a few others on Dailymile and Twitter who I know are running Manchester (Matt is one – http://www.dailymile.com/peopl…. Are you on Twitter?
There are a bunch of runners from MA + NH on there who I stay in touch with regularly – it’s a great forum.

My plan for Manchester is to try a few 40 second walk breaks early on and more regularly throughout, while running at a faster pace in between (around 7:10) than I did in Hartford. If things work out, it might still out me in range for the BQ, just trying to get there in a different way. My legs seem to die around 17 miles and I wind up walking way too much – my problem is that I have the speed to do it, but maybe not the training mileage since I maxed out at 45 in a week (tough to get the miles in with little kids!).

Maybe we can start together and see how things go from there. I can’t
remember what Matt is shooting for, but he might be up for it as well.

Pete

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/10/race-report-2009-hartford-marathon.html#comment-19962672 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=798#comment-19962672 In reply to Ernesto.

Ernesto – Thanks, I’m in the midst of strategizing for Manchester right
now. It’s such a tough and hilly course that the realist in me doesn’t see
it as BQable with only a few weeks to go, so I’m toying with a radical
change in strategy by running a faster pace and incorporating some of
Galloway’s run-walk method earlier on to delay or prevent the bonk. -Pete

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/10/race-report-2009-hartford-marathon.html#comment-19891548 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=798#comment-19891548 In reply to seetedrun.

Thanks everyone for the kind words!

@Ted I was confident going in, but as you said, anything can happen on
marathon day. Despite the fact that things didn’t go how I wanted, it was still a great experience. There’s something so magical about the whole marathon experience that I can’t fathom the idea of not doing another. I’m also very excited to see how yours goes – you’ve been throwing down some great times lately and I hope you smash your 4:15 goal time! – Pete

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By: Ernesto https://runblogger.com/2009/10/race-report-2009-hartford-marathon.html#comment-19961704 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=798#comment-19961704 Nice analysis of the race, and smart choices, I think, after the bonk – still got a PR despite it all! Congrats! And I’m hoping to see an even better result for you in Manchester! (I’ll be there cheering on my wife and sister in the half, and many friends running the whole). I’ll look for you around the 3:15 mark!

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By: Tola https://runblogger.com/2009/10/race-report-2009-hartford-marathon.html#comment-19875440 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=798#comment-19875440 Way to go, Peter. Still the fastest you’ve run a marathon, and strange as it may seem to think about it, it’s good to still have your BQ goal to motivate you. It’s there for the taking next time.

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By: Steve Poling https://runblogger.com/2009/10/race-report-2009-hartford-marathon.html#comment-19872884 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=798#comment-19872884 Great post – thanks for sharing. This helps me in prep for my first marathon. Sounds like you gave it all you got in this race – that is all you can ask for. Kudos!

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/10/race-report-2009-hartford-marathon.html#comment-21375864 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=798#comment-21375864 In reply to adambear.

Thanks very much for your thoughtful and supportive comments! There’s a lot
of truth to what you have said here – I have been doing speed work in the
form of intervals and tempo runs, and they have made a huge difference for
me in getting me to the next level. I owe my 5K and half-marathon PR’s to
incorporating speedwork into my training. I think one of my problems is
taking the endurance I have developed and pushing it beyond the 17-18 mile
mark. There were some extenuating circumstances that came into play in
Hartford (I’d been sick with a respiratory issue for much of the 2 weeks
prior to the marathon), but one of the major issues is that my overall
mileage is still relatively low for marathon training (maxed out above 40
miles in a week only a few times). I need to really commit to either
running in the early AM or evening if I want to push beyond that, and maybe
trying two-a-days is one possibility. You idea of doing some biking for
cross training is also a good one.

My goal in running Manchester is not so much as a BQ attempt, but because
it’s a hometown race that runs through the college I work at, and on roads
that I frequent. The water stops at miles 17 and 19 are staffed by students
that I know, and I’ve been looking forward to running the full distance
after doing the half in each of the past 2 years. I run on the course all
the time, and know it very well. I’m planning to be smart about the race
given the quick turnaround since Hartford, hence the idea of walk breaks to
hold back a bit, and then I have a solid 2+ months before I do Disney in
January. Should be interesting – we’ll see how things go!

Thanks again for the comments!
Pete

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/10/race-report-2009-hartford-marathon.html#comment-21170817 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=798#comment-21170817 In reply to adambear.

Thanks very much for your thoughtful and supportive comments! There’s a lot of truth to what you have said here – I have been doing speed work in the form of intervals and tempo runs, and they have made a huge difference for me in getting me to the next level. I owe my 5K and half-marathon PR’s to incorporating speedwork into my training. I think one of my problems is taking the endurance I have developed and pushing it beyond the 17-18 mile mark. There were some extenuating circumstances that came into play in Hartford (I’d been sick with a respiratory issue for much of the 2 weeks prior to the marathon), but one of the major issues is that my overall mileage is still relatively low for marathon training (maxed out above 40 miles in a week only a few times). I need to really commit to either running in the early AM or evening if I want to push beyond that, and maybe trying two-a-days is one possibility. You idea of doing some biking for cross training is also a good one.

My goal in running Manchester is not so much as a BQ attempt, but because it’s a hometown race that runs through the college I work at, and on roads that I frequent. The water stops at miles 17 and 19 are staffed by students that I know, and I’ve been looking forward to running the full distance after doing the half in each of the past 2 years. I run on the course all the time, and know it very well. I’m planning to be smart about the race given the quick turnaround since Hartford, hence the idea of walk breaks to hold back a bit, and then I have a solid 2+ months before I do Disney in January. Should be interesting – we’ll see how things go!

Thanks again for the comments!
Pete

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/10/race-report-2009-hartford-marathon.html#comment-19964556 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=798#comment-19964556 In reply to ultrastevep.

Steve- I ran the Manchester Half each of the last 2 years (did a 1:29 there last year – my proudest running moment so far!), and I teach at St. Anselm College so I run on the second half almost every day during the school year. I know the course really well, and am hoping that will help. I’ve heard that the second half can get lonely, but I look forward to it due to
the familiarity factor (home-field advantage maybe?), and am hoping I can get a few of the St. A’s XC runners to join me for a bit when I pass through campus around mile 20! -Pete

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By: ultrastevep https://runblogger.com/2009/10/race-report-2009-hartford-marathon.html#comment-19964070 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=798#comment-19964070 In reply to Pete Larson.

Peter….best of luck at Manchester. I ran it the past two years and you’re right, it is not an easy one. Some good hills (although easier last year than the first) and it can get cold and windy. The toughest part is when the half marathoners peel off to the finish and you are left almost alone.
Stay tough mentally and you can have a good race there. Nice finish from around mile 23 on, almost all downhill.

Steve

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By: seetedrun https://runblogger.com/2009/10/race-report-2009-hartford-marathon.html#comment-19891376 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=798#comment-19891376 Oh man !!! I was so glued to your post-race report that my coffee turned cold. I was so absorbed with the report. One thing in my mind – it is difficult to find the right time, the right mood, the right chemistry, the right element and the right mindset to do well on one day of the year – that is doing the marathon. Just one minor glitch in the system and things can go very weird. From reading your report, it sounds like you finished a 4:15 time but its so amazing that you did finish in 3:32 is mind-boggling despites the number of glitches you had in your system. I have been following your progress all year long and like you – I had a great deal of confidence that you would do a BQ this time. I have to say this – I have to commend you for getting the job done and you got the new PR. Now, you have a pretty good idea what you can do for your next marathon – the Magical Kingdom marathon! Who knows? It may be a magical experience for you. Congrats!

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