Comments on: Running in Vibram Fivefingers: First Impressions https://runblogger.com/2009/08/running-in-vibram-fivefingers-first.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:40:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.12 By: seetedrun https://runblogger.com/2009/08/running-in-vibram-fivefingers-first.html#comment-15245315 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=822#comment-15245315 I am kind of reluctant to try the reptile kicks. In a way, I don’t want to hurt myself in time for the RI marathon. I will have to wait to see how it goes when I hear more and more are using the reptile kicks. Who knows? I might give it a try. I do have Saucony Fastwitch and that might be a good transition for me.

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By: Steve https://runblogger.com/2009/08/running-in-vibram-fivefingers-first.html#comment-69239812 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=822#comment-69239812 I had a tear in my Achilles at the first of the year, and since I had to sort of start all over after that, I went and got a pair of KSOs. I walked in them for about 30 miles before I started running. About two weeks ago, as I topped 85 miles of running I noticed that on the right middle toes the rubber has worn through. I just put the 100th mile on them Sunday, and noticed the the ball of the left foot is Very thin. You are a much more serious runner than I am, and I’m wondering if you notice the KSOs wearing out after so little mileage. I love (absolutely love) the way it fees to run in them, but at $90 a pop, I’m not going to be able to support my rather low mileage running habit.

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By: Nick https://runblogger.com/2009/08/running-in-vibram-fivefingers-first.html#comment-66180905 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=822#comment-66180905 WARNING! I just got a metatarsal stress factor running in my KSO’s. I am in my 2nd week and was doing about 2 miles a day on roads to get used to the shoe, then bam! Stress factor. I am experienced runner, been to Boston and have never had a foot injury before. I dislike the feel of the KSO and was enjoying the freedom feel it gives you. I am so bummed to get a stress fracture, and can’t figure out how it happened. I didn’t think my form was bad.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/08/running-in-vibram-fivefingers-first.html#comment-15246977 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=822#comment-15246977 In reply to seetedrun.

Ted – If you’re hesitant, I’d wait until after the marathon to try it. I
know a few people on Twitter/Dailymile who are doing just that, but I’m
terrible at holding back under any circumstances, so I went for it. Legs
are stiff tonight, but no real pain of any kind – just feels like i did
resistance training with them for the first time in a year!

Pete

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By: Patepluma https://runblogger.com/2009/08/running-in-vibram-fivefingers-first.html#comment-48791432 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=822#comment-48791432 I’ve been running only in KSOs and Treks for five months now, both on and off road. There was certainly a conditioning period: 1) the ‘de-atrophication’ of 35-years worth of about 20% of my leg and foot tissue that had been lulled into sleep by the use of the modern running shoe; 2) the stride adjustment phase; and 3) the callous building phase.

It has been a worthwhile journey. My legs and feet haven’t felt this healthy since being a teenager in the 1970s.

The only painful part of VFF running is frozen toes in the winter.

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By: Nick https://runblogger.com/2009/08/running-in-vibram-fivefingers-first.html#comment-66194105 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=822#comment-66194105 In reply to Pete Larson.

Thanks Pete! Love your blog and thoughts, keep it up. I meant to say i like the Virbam – so freeing!

You are dead on how the injury came on- makes total sense. I am glad to hear that there might not be a good translation from running in shoes, aka, cloggers, to five fingers and that there needs to be a deliberate process to change the biomechanics. I guess i had some irrational exuberance going on. The Five Fingers just felt great and didn’t want to put on the old cloggers!

Now that i have this injury, do you think i will be predisposed to this injury in the Five Fingers? or if i changed my routine and went back to typical running shoes with five runners interspersed will be ok? I want to keep running in my five fingers, but now am a bit apprehensive. Course I now need to sit out 4 to 5 weeks!

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/08/running-in-vibram-fivefingers-first.html#comment-69241048 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=822#comment-69241048 In reply to Steve.

Are you a forefoot runner or do you push off hard with your toes? It’s
interesting since I have very little wear on the sole of my KSO’s, which I
have had for about a year. I tend to land midfoot, so wondering if this
might explain the difference?

Pete

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/08/running-in-vibram-fivefingers-first.html#comment-49435872 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=822#comment-49435872 In reply to Patepluma.

Thanks for the comment! Regarding the frozen winter toes, try the Injinji
socks – I ran down to about 10 degrees F last winter without much trouble as
long as I paired the socks with my KSO’s.

Pete

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/08/running-in-vibram-fivefingers-first.html#comment-66186219 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=822#comment-66186219 In reply to Nick.

Sorry to hear about your injury! We’re you running 2 miles every day in them
– that could be the problem?

When I started, I just went once a week in my KSO’s, and anytime I felt
anything unusual I took a break for a bit. Vibrams expose you to a whole
different set of forces, so being a long term runner probably doesn’t have
much bearing on the adaptation process. What happens is you begin loading
your metatarsals in ways that they are not used to (particularly if your
footstrike moves forward toward the forefoot), and if you don’t allow time
for bone remodeling to occur, that can lead to a stress fracture. Sore
calves from initial Vibram running can also compromise shock absorption, so
that can play a role as well. You can think of it not that your form was
bad, but rather that it was right for the shoe, and the body just needs to
adapt to that new form.

I’m at the point now where I was able to do 13.1 in mine last week, and have
been doing a lot of miles in my Bikilas lately.

Pete

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/08/running-in-vibram-fivefingers-first.html#comment-66198521 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=822#comment-66198521 In reply to Nick.

Initial exuberance is what gets most of us when we try out the Fivefingers –
I had some pain in my foot after the first run in them, and opted to hold
off for a few weeks. I’m not a medical guy, so hard to say if you’d be
predisposed to further injury. You definitely want to let things heal up
fully before you get back at it, and if you do start mixing Fivefingers back
in, take it very slow. I used Nike Free 3.0s as a transition shoe to the
Fivefingers – I was still heel striking in them, but the lower heel and
extreme flexibility did seem to help with strengthening my feet/legs. A
racing flat mixed in can also help – I’m running in Brooks Mach 12’s right
now for racing and speedwork and I like them. Saucony Kinvara also has a
lower heel, and is cushioned enough for longer runs. I do know several
people who have recovered from metatarsal stress fractures and are now
running great – Steve is one of them (ran a sub-3:00 at Boston about 9
months after his non-Vibram related met fracture):
http://www.runbulldogrun.com/5….

Pete

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