Comments on: The Evolution of Running in Humans: Why We Are Meant to Run https://runblogger.com/2009/04/evolution-of-running-in-humans-why-we.html Running Shoes, Gear Reviews, and Posts on the Science of the Sport Thu, 16 Apr 2020 13:31:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.11 By: Bill Wells https://runblogger.com/2009/04/evolution-of-running-in-humans-why-we.html#comment-1131012073 Thu, 16 Apr 2020 13:31:19 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=889#comment-1131012073 In reply to marc verhaegen.

A very limited perspective of the “problems” with running. It only takes a little time being exposed to cultures that don’t normally use footwear to see that the problems you highlight are associated with footwear, not evolution. As for running in the heat, runners conditioned to it can cope quite well.

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By: marc verhaegen https://runblogger.com/2009/04/evolution-of-running-in-humans-why-we.html#comment-1129455513 Sun, 01 Dec 2013 12:48:45 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=889#comment-1129455513 From my recent paper in Human Evolution 28:237-266: “The nowadays popular ideas about Pleistocene human ancestors running in open plains (endurance running, dogged pursuit of swifter animals, born to run, le singe coureur, Savannahstan) are among the worst scientific hypotheses ever proposed. The surprising frequency and diversity of foot problems (e.g., hammertoes, hallux valgus and bunions, ingrown nails, heelspurs, athlete’s feet, corns and calluses—some of these due to wearing shoes) and the need to protect our feet with shoes prove that human feet are not made in the first place for running. Moreover, humans are physiologically ill-adapted to dry open milieus: ‘We have a water- and sodium-wasting cooling system of abundant sweat glands, totally unfit for a dry environment. Our maximal urine concentration is much too low for a savanna-dwelling mammal. We need much more water than other primates, and have to drink more often than savanna inhabitants, yet we cannot drink large quantities at a time (Verhaegen 1987 Origin of Hominid Bipedalism, Nature 325:305-6).”
Incredible that are still ‘scientsts’ who believe this Pleistocene Homo running fantasy, just google ‘econiche Homo’.

Human Evolution now publishes the proceedings of the symposium on human waterside evolution ‘Human Evolution: Past, Present & Future’ in London 8-10 May 2013:
SPECIAL EDITION PART 1 (end 2013)
Introduction – Peter Rhys-Evans
1. Human’s Association with Water Bodies: the ‘Exaggerated Diving Reflex’ and its Relationship with the Evolutionary Allometry of Human Pelvic and Brain Sizes – Stephen Oppenheimer
2. Human Ecological Breadth: Why Neither Savanna nor Aquatic Hypotheses can Hold Water – JH Langdon
3. Endurance Running versus Underwater Foraging: an Anatomical and Palaeoecological Perspective – Stephen Munro
4. Wading Hypotheses of the Origin of Human Bipedalism – Algis Kuliukas
5. The Aquatic Ape Evolves: Common Misconceptions and Unproven Assumptions about the So-Called Aquatic Ape Hypothesis – Marc Verhaegen
6. The Epigenetic Emergence of Culture at the Coastline: Interaction of Genes, Nutrition, Environment and Demography – CL Broadhurst & Michael Crawford
SPECIAL EDITION PART 2 (begin 2014) with 12 contributions

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/04/evolution-of-running-in-humans-why-we.html#comment-224518404 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=889#comment-224518404 In reply to Bill.

Also keep in mind though that dogs that do well in heat have been
artificially selected via breeding to express that capability. It was not
present in the ancestral wolf from which domestic dog breeds have come. In a
similar manner, humans evolved from our primate ancestors through natural
selection to be very good at operating in the heat. The critical point is
that we can do things in the heat that the vast majority of quadrupedal
mammals cannot.

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By: Bill https://runblogger.com/2009/04/evolution-of-running-in-humans-why-we.html#comment-224105560 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=889#comment-224105560 I’m skeptical about the conclusion you draw about dogs.  I’ve hiked with a a friend’s otherwise-sedentary golden retriever and he basically covered three times the ground I did, running up the mountain and then back down to make sure I was still coming, again and again. I’m in very good shape, but there was little doubt that this dog could outlast me with even moderate regular exercise. This was in cool fall temperatures.  

I also remember reading about a woman who trained for marathons with a few Rhodesian Ridgebacks.  I believe she was doing upper-teens mileage with significant elevation gains.  She said her dogs showed no signs of fatigue and she was sure they could go much further than her.

These are anecdotal events, but then so is the opposing evidence you cited, namely your Lab’s inability to shed heat.

But thanks for your efforts, i’m finding the blog very useful.

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By: Bill https://runblogger.com/2009/04/evolution-of-running-in-humans-why-we.html#comment-224534884 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=889#comment-224534884 In reply to Pete Larson.

The first article had a few rather eye-opening points, but yeah the fact the we are far on the right of the bell-curve as endurance athletes in the heat is not what conventional wisdom would predict. 

It’s an exciting narrative that’s unfolding.  Understanding our evolutionary heritage is such a key facet of understanding ourselves.  For me at least, that intellectual understanding always expands and clarifies my sense of where I stand in the world on an -ahem- existential level. 

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By: Bill https://runblogger.com/2009/04/evolution-of-running-in-humans-why-we.html#comment-224332921 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=889#comment-224332921 In reply to Pete Larson.

Right.  In any case thermoregulation would seem to be very breed-specific.  Ridgebacks are African hunting dogs of course, and one of the articles you linked to specifically mentions those dogs as possessing exceptional ER capabilities.  So we have to be careful when we make blanket statements about ‘dogs’.  What would kill a Lab or a Husky might be a warm-up for a Basenji.

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By: Pete Larson https://runblogger.com/2009/04/evolution-of-running-in-humans-why-we.html#comment-224207806 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=889#comment-224207806 In reply to Bill.

The point is heat. My lab could do the same thing on a cool Fall day
like the one you describe, but never in the heat of summer under
direct sun. The latter is the environment our ancestors took advantage
of to persistence hunt. Jack can run forever with me in winter, but
even taking him on a long walk on a humid, 90 degree day is dangerous.

Pete

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By: M Mccormack https://runblogger.com/2009/04/evolution-of-running-in-humans-why-we.html#comment-163286733 Tue, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://localhost/runblogger/wordpress/?p=889#comment-163286733 Makes sense to me, and explains why so many of are driven to running and find so much pleasure and stress-relief from it.

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